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because marijuana is known for making people aggro and non-compliant? lol try again champ. go ask any officer if he'd rather arrest somebody under the influence of alcohol, or somebody under the influence of marijuana, and let me know which answer they unanimously report back to you with

09-26-2016 , 02:09 PM

#7277

Used2Play

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

Citizens shouldn't have to theorycraft how maximize their survival probability when encountering police. Many protests try to address that reality does not match this reasonable expectation.

Why not? This is what defensive driving is all about. I shouldn't have to put up with drunks & texters while driving but I do. I should learn what techniques will reduce chances of something bad happening when I encounter these people. Same goes for people who confront you with guns (police or criminal)

09-26-2016 , 02:10 PM

#7278

kerowo

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So if someone doesn't do that it's there own fault for getting killed?

09-26-2016 , 02:16 PM

#7279

campfirewest

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I don't think we can put trigger happy cops in the same bucket as drunk drivers and texters.

09-26-2016 , 02:20 PM

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Eeyorefora

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

It's not being under the influence,it's because of the possession.

Spare me the legalization arguments,I want that crap legalized.

But as long as its illegal,it's in your best interest not to smoke dope in public.

09-26-2016 , 02:23 PM

#7281

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeyorefora

So, because he was doing something illegal in his car, he was eager to escalate a situation with the police?

09-26-2016 , 02:40 PM

#7282

Huehuecoyotl

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Crucial evidence in the police shooting death of Keith Scott is not available because one of the officers failed to activate his body camera as soon as he responded to the encounter, in violation of department policy.

The department released two videos late Saturday after four days of sometimes violent protests here over the death of Scott, who police said had a gun. Neither video is conclusive on that question.

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But none of those moments in the first 30 seconds of the bodycam video have audio. All are silent, denying investigators and the public key details of what happened immediately prior to the shooting Sept. 20. That indicates the officer, who has not been identified, did not turn on the camera until after the shooting, when audio begins.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.10d79accd436

09-26-2016 , 02:43 PM

#7283

Eeyorefora

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Originally Posted by microbet

So, because he was doing something illegal in his car, he was eager to escalate a situation with the police?

No,he placed himself in a likely position of escalation.

Drug possession by a minority in a public place is a magnet for police interest.

And escalation is more than likely in that case.

09-26-2016 , 02:44 PM

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Dids

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Might need to make a dead black dude account just to thank all the helpful folks who keep giving him advice in this thread.

btw- Defensive driving sucks and makes for tentative/unpredictable/****ing lousy drivers.

09-26-2016 , 02:58 PM

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goofyballer

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Apparently this happened on Saturday in SF: After 6 hour standoff, suicidal man w/ replica gun surrenders at City Hall

Traffic shut down across multiple blocks, buildings evacuated, eventually ends peacefully. Oh and he was white.

09-26-2016 , 03:02 PM

#7286

Louis Cyphre

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Originally Posted by campfirewest

I don't think we can put trigger happy cops in the same bucket as drunk drivers and texters.

This.

09-26-2016 , 03:58 PM

#7287

DrChesspain

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Originally Posted by Used2Play

One big difference is that drunk drivers routinely get arrested and prosecuted for causing harm to innocent people.

09-26-2016 , 04:38 PM

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OmgGlutten!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPspMFDteIQ

Cops that shoot people are getting paid handsomely.

To be fair, I am sure on the other side it is also apart of the collective conscience that money can be made if you are mistreated by the police.

09-26-2016 , 04:52 PM

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prana

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeyorefora

No,he placed himself in a likely position of escalation.

Drug possession by a minority in a public place is a magnet for police interest.

And escalation is more than likely in that case.

As someone who has had interactions with police for marijuana possession several times, had friends experience the same things, and witnessed many drug busts at music festivals ALL without any escalation to violence please explain how escalation is "more than likely"?

09-26-2016 , 05:10 PM

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Eeyorefora

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If you are in a position of breaking the law,it is more likely to escalate than if you aren't breaking the law.

How is that hard to understand?

It's more likely to happen,not that it will.

09-26-2016 , 05:18 PM

#7291

LostOstrich

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a black guy smoking a joint is "a magnet" for police attention that is "more than likely" to escalate towards violence.

Seems accurate, but people aren't disagreeing with you. They're saying that it's a problem.

09-26-2016 , 05:20 PM

#7292

Dids

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Congrats- you win today's award for being correct about what a word means while still missing the point those words are making. Forrest, trees, etc.

The real obvious issue here is that a situation is far more likely to escalate if the dude with the weed is black. All of this stupid back-seat perp being continues to ignore that the average white guy doesn't need your advice about caution because the cops give him them benefit of the doubt. By now we've got plenty of evidence that the cops do not give black people any of that leeway.

09-26-2016 , 05:28 PM

#7293

ogallalabob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dids

Think it is more likely to escalate if the dude with the week is a felon in possession of a firearm and looking at several years in jail.

09-26-2016 , 05:41 PM

#7294

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.10d79accd436

Gee

What a surprise

09-26-2016 , 05:42 PM

#7295

master3004

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Gee

Color me shocked

09-26-2016 , 05:44 PM

#7296

master3004

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Originally Posted by prana

But wait, were you smoking while black? If not we must be talking apples and oranges here

09-26-2016 , 05:44 PM

#7297

Heady

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Florida man found naked after he threw his baby over an 8 foot fence.

Then screams, yells, and throws things at officers, before he attacks officers!, but luckily he is quickly 'subdued' by other officers before being brought to the hospital for his 'odd' behavior.

Guess which race he isn't?

(Website crashed while trying to link off phone, not bothering again. Orlando Sentinel.)

09-26-2016 , 05:52 PM

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Huehuecoyotl

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A new report has found “strong, consistent and statistically significant” evidence that federal gun agents singled out minorities for controversial drug stings in Chicago.

The stings had been a centerpiece of efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to target violent crime. Agents lured suspects with the promise of a huge payday for robbing a drug “stash house” that did not actually exist, then left them facing long prison sentences for plotting to resell the imaginary drugs.

An investigation by USA TODAY in 2014 found that the stings overwhelmingly targeted minorities. At least 91% of the people agents charged nationwide were racial or ethnic minorities. The ATF stings are particularly sensitive because they seek to enlist suspected criminals in new crimes, rather than merely solving old ones, giving agents unusually wide latitude to select who will be targeted.

Now I know what you're thinking, what if minorities are doing all the crime? Glad you asked and I've got you covered.

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The new report, prepared by Columbia Law School professor Jeffrey Fagan, found only a 0.1% chance that agents could have selected so many minorities by chance, even if they were targeting only people with criminal records that suggested they were likely to be part of a robbery crew, as ATF policies require. Those results, Fagan wrote, show that “the ATF is discriminating on the basis of race” in choosing targets for the stings.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...ties/90950474/

09-26-2016 , 06:16 PM

#7299

Used2Play

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrChesspain

One big difference is that drunk drivers routinely get arrested and prosecuted for causing harm to innocent people.

You're talking differences in accountability. That has nothing to do with the optimal behavior to take in dangerous situations which is what my post was about. It is a good idea to learn the best behavior on how to interact with police, especially if they have guns pointed at you.

09-26-2016 , 06:17 PM

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FlyWf

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...a=twitter_page

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The conservative Media Research Center took a victory lap on behalf of the six Baltimore police officers who arrested Freddie Gray before he died from the result of an injury sustained in their custody last year.
The self-appointed “media watchdog” organization, which owns right-wing hand-wringing blog NewsBusters, hosted its annual black-tie gala in Washington, D.C. last Thursday roasting the “liberal media” and handing out “DisHonor Awards” to MSNBC hosts and the like.
This year, the guests of honor at the awards ceremony were three of the six cops who were charged in relation to Gray’s death in April 2015. (In July, charges against three of them were dropped after the rest had already been acquitted.)

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