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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

04-22-2015 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
Is this true? I'm in the UK, and it's headline news here if a police officer fires his weapon, but is it really so common for US police to kill citizens that it's only noteworthy when they're black?
Well white people get taken alive even when they attack the cops in totally ambiguous ways, so it's hard to say.

What people tend to miss is that the stories that get traction aren't just "black person killed by cops" but "unarmed black person killed by cops".

The transparent thing about the greatbravewhite's argument is that they really don't believe there's no racial bias at play here. It's that they believe the racial bias is 100% correct, because all they know of black people is a picture of the scary thug they've had painted for them by Fox News. Like maybe they've got enough humanity to think that the cops shouldn't be murdering people, but they sure understand because I mean have you seen a black person? They're so scary and it requires a lot of training to not shoot one.
04-22-2015 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by braves2017
I'll tell you at this point I'm skeptical of both sides. My observation is people are so focused on the race issue when these things occur it largely drowns out someone died. Is anyone aware that one of the kids in spank's sensational poster who was shot in the back had just bought a stolen hand gun? Does that even matter? Does not seem so, seems the color of the kid's skin is the important thing.

Do not get me wrong, I'm all for discussing race and racism in our society but it seems when this stuff happens all that's talked about is the racial aspect. I want to know why cops are quick to shoot in the first place and yes, I know minorities are disproportionately affected/effected by this phenomenon. But again, whats discussed is not the quick to shoot but rather the racial disparity.

My guess there is a probably multiple influences involved in several of these instances from race, to poor training, to criminal behavior (on both sides), to poor psych evaluations, etc, etc. It seems the police killing someone gets your attention when its a black person is involved and it'd be hard pressed for me to believe based on your posting history that you actually care about the cops killing people part while you and others only want to point out racial association/racism which is important but its all you talk about. You'd be hard pressed to prove that race was the primary factor in most of these shootings, yet it is what gets the publicity. Training, evaluations, civil review board, stuff like that hardly ever gets discussed and when it does, its only briefly, have to hit the race angle again.

That goes for the other side too, they make all these attempts to show how race was not an issue, when its clear race is an issue although it varies on how relevant based on the circumstances.


Yeah, I'm skeptical.
The reasons won't be pretty and in the US it seems they often aren't shooting first and asking questions later in the name of good police work. Unless that constitutes good police work. I suspect fear, anger, stress, being unsuitable for the job, aspd, and yes, racism. It sounds like you want to know if they have a good reason, just be aware, you might end up sympathizing with murderers.

Last edited by Oroku$aki; 04-22-2015 at 01:58 PM.
04-22-2015 , 01:54 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...timore/391158/

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$5.7 million is the amount the city paid to victims of brutality between 2011 and 2014. And as huge as that figure is, the more staggering number in the article is this one: "Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil-rights violations." What tiny percentage of the unjustly beaten win formal legal judgments?
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Even animals couldn't escape the brutality of the Baltimore police last year. In July, "Officer Thomas Schmidt, a 24-year veteran assigned to the Emergency Services unit, was placed on paid administrative leave after police say he held down a Shar-Pei while a fellow officer, Jeffrey Bolger, slit the dog's throat." A month later, a Baltimore police officer plead guilty "to a felony animal cruelty charge after he fatally beat and choked his girlfriend's Jack Russell terrier," an August 5 article noted.
It's no easy task to become one of Baltimore's most violent criminal organizations, but the BPD has managed to achieve it.
04-22-2015 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SandmanNess
I'm curious what peoples opinions are of the ratio between good cops and bad cops. What do you think the percent of officers is that act completely acceptable while on duty vs the ones that don't?
Sociopaths and those with aspd are attracted to policing (and surgery too btw, which makes sense, one needs to be daring to be a surgeon), so pulling a number out of my ass, I'd say between 4% to 7% engage in questionable behavior, and a subset of that 4% to 7% engage in out-and-out criminality.
04-22-2015 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by miajag
It's no easy task to become one of Baltimore's most violent criminal organizations, but the BPD has managed to achieve it.
Even Avon Barksdale would be shaking his head.
04-24-2015 , 08:33 PM
Yeah so today I saw dash cam footage of another unarmed black male gunned down for literally no reason. But wait, this was from three years ago so we already know the outcome, no charges filed, cop kept his job, turned out the black male riding his bike was carrying a small amount of weed and he also did that thing of reaching for a weapon he didn't have except that totally didn't happen on the tape.
04-24-2015 , 08:46 PM
I know of a few cops who have been stopped for drinking and driving, not just a few beers, but barely able to speak on numerous occasions and have never been arrested once. Only a matter of time before he kills a family on the way back from the Icecapdes.
04-24-2015 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Well white people get taken alive even when they attack the cops in totally ambiguous ways, so it's hard to say.

What people tend to miss is that the stories that get traction aren't just "black person killed by cops" but "unarmed black person killed by cops".

The transparent thing about the greatbravewhite's argument is that they really don't believe there's no racial bias at play here. It's that they believe the racial bias is 100% correct, because all they know of black people is a picture of the scary thug they've had painted for them by Fox News. Like maybe they've got enough humanity to think that the cops shouldn't be murdering people, but they sure understand because I mean have you seen a black person? They're so scary and it requires a lot of training to not shoot one.
No, I strongly appose racial profiling. Nice try though. I just think there is more to these issues than just race. It's absurd to assume that if someone thinks it could be about other things as well race, you are a racist. You race-baiters are getting old. Does it really make you feel that much better to call people racist?
04-24-2015 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
The reasons won't be pretty and in the US it seems they often aren't shooting first and asking questions later in the name of good police work. Unless that constitutes good police work. I suspect fear, anger, stress, being unsuitable for the job, aspd, and yes, racism. It sounds like you want to know if they have a good reason, just be aware, you might end up sympathizing with murderers.
For those of you who live in Vegas, you should remember a guy who was cornered in his vehicle by a bunch of cops and was used for target practice. I think he reved his engine. I do not remember the guys race but it occurs to me, I have no reason to remember his race because what they did was wrong irregardless of his race, IMO. There are stories like this across the nation but the entire focus is on race.

Found a article on it:

http://www.lasvegasinjurylawyersblog...me-police.html

Last edited by braves2017; 04-24-2015 at 11:05 PM.
04-25-2015 , 01:23 AM
04-25-2015 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by braves2017
I just think there is more to these issues than just race. It's absurd to assume that if someone thinks it could be about other things as well race, you are a racist. You race-baiters are getting old. Does it really make you feel that much better to call people racist?
So to be clear you do think racism is part of the problem, just not all of the problem i.e. you are more likely to get shot by the cops if you're a black unarmed teen rather than a white unarmed teen.
04-25-2015 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
I know of a few cops who have been stopped for drinking and driving, not just a few beers, but barely able to speak on numerous occasions and have never been arrested once. Only a matter of time before he kills a family on the way back from the Icecapdes.
not to mention what kind of sick **** gets blackout drunk at the icecapades
04-25-2015 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Yeah so today I saw dash cam footage of another unarmed black male gunned down for literally no reason. But wait, this was from three years ago so we already know the outcome, no charges filed, cop kept his job, turned out the black male riding his bike was carrying a small amount of weed and he also did that thing of reaching for a weapon he didn't have except that totally didn't happen on the tape.
Is it this one?



If so, why do you fail to mention the victim's black cell phone in his right hand?

Granted, having a cell phone does not warrant getting getting shot but it's not as you put it, for "literally no reason."
04-25-2015 , 01:58 AM
Um wtf?

Does he have to say 'literally no good reason' so idiots don't get to be like 'well, he was holding a cell phone...' like it means something?
04-25-2015 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Um wtf?

Does he have to say 'literally no good reason' so idiots don't get to be like 'well, he was holding a cell phone...' like it means something?
It's real easy to judge a cop's split second decision from your desk chair. The cop can very well make the argument in court he mistook the cell phone for a weapon. In which case it wasn't for "no reason."
04-25-2015 , 02:05 AM
I also noticed his hands were black. That seems dangerous. Better fire away.
04-25-2015 , 02:08 AM
His hands were also hanging dangerously close to his waistband. No telling what's in there.
04-25-2015 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
I also noticed his hands were black. That seems dangerous. Better fire away.
and the only thing you based your opinion on is the color of the persons skin? It's like he's black, it must be racial. That's absurd. Lets put this in perspective, how many people (of any race) do not get shot by the cops when they interact? 99.999999999% of all interactions with cops end with out someone getting shot. Your only evidence is the peoples involved skin color and want to pretend the cop shot him because he's black, it could not possibly be the officer made a mistake, bad one at that.

Last edited by braves2017; 04-25-2015 at 02:30 AM.
04-25-2015 , 02:30 AM
Your comprehension is just awful.
04-25-2015 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
You're comprehension is just awful.
Your perception of the world is just awful.
04-25-2015 , 02:34 AM
Let me spell it out so even you can understand:

I didn't say he was shot because he's black.
04-25-2015 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Let me spell it out so even you can understand:

I didn't say he was shot because he's black.

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I also noticed his hands were black. That seems dangerous. Better fire away.
Stop lying.
04-25-2015 , 02:37 AM
Yeah, you still don't get it.

Try reading the posts before that, it might come to you.
04-25-2015 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Yeah, you still don't get it.

Try reading the posts before that, it might come to you.
What ever, like I said before, I cant help with cognitive dissonance.
04-25-2015 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
I also noticed his hands were black. That seems dangerous. Better fire away.
"Cop shot a black man. Must be guilty. Lock him up, throw away the key." You And Phill don't give a damn about the circumstances or the facts of the case. You're prejudiced and you're ass would never be allowed on a jury and rightly so. It's a man's life and reputation on the line and you treat it as non-chalantly as the racist cops.

      
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