Yeah its definitely an organisation culture problem not a few bad apples.

I don't even get it, at least when cops were stealing from drug dealers I can see the warped thinking that accepts it but why do the so called good cops enable the bad cops to get away with (literal) murder?

What boggles my mind is that there are real people on these grand juries (when the case even gets that far) that are not indicting these cops. In the vast majority of these types of cases, I don't think I've even met a single person who watches footage like the one in the link above (post 5042) and says, "Yeah that's a totally reasonable shooting".

Grand juries do pretty much w/e the prosecutor wants them to do.

The old saying was that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich if he wanted to.


In many cases it is super obvious that the prosecutor didn't want an indictment. In the case of the guy who got choked to death for selling loose cigarettes, the prosecutor never showed the video to the Grand Jury.

Chicago police shoot mentally ill teenager with baseball bat, also kill innocent bystander

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/us...=top-news&_r=0

No charges for the Tamir Rice shooters.

The system works, lets discuss what a menace Tamir was /hornbug

Grand jury declines to hand out any charges to Cleveland officer who shot Tamir Rice. In b4 riots. link

Can we assume that the civil suit will at least be a slam dunk? It sounds like the DA is basically saying "Yeah they messed up, but it was not criminal".

You would certainly think so.

Apparently the prosecutor in the Tamir Rice case in his post-Grand Jury press conference was making the case how much the toy gun looked like a real gun. He also claimed that Tamir looked much older than he actually was and he stated an unnamed associate of Tamir Rice was saying he would sometimes pull the toy gun out "like a robber."

Cops don't need defense lawyers with these kind of prosecutors.

Pretty cool that some people get to kill people with the only consequence being their boss might have to cut a check. Oh, wait, no, that's not cool. That's actually awful?

Why do people keep bringing this **** up? We saw the same thing with Garner, a reflexive "oh yeah but the civil suit".

what?

‏@AriMelber
Prosecutor Matt Meyer now defending officers for not personally administering medical aid to Rice on scene after shooting him.

Seems SOP. Looks like every time someone gets shot they bleed out with no one trying to save their life.

Pretty sure melkerson is on the side of long prison terms itt, possibly just looking for a little bit of a silver lining. Also wtf is with these prosecutors going to bat for the defendant in a grand jury? Why even bother with the charade if you aren't actually going for an indictment?

Ohio is an open carry state, so all this **** about how Rice looked like an adult because he was 5'7" and they thought the gun was real is a weird concession that black pedestrians still don't get the full basket of rights that Real Americans get.

Embarrassing performance by the prosecutors in this.

Can't wait for them to be re-elected in landslides.

Well, clearly, open carry was meant for chubby middle aged white guys not skinny young black guys. Everyone knows that.

https://twitter.com/KateAronoff/stat...54262439104512

I'm pretty sure the twitter user meant defense attorney because I'm pretty sure the prosecutor is supposed to prosecute the defendants, the police officers, for the victim, not blame it on the victim.

I gotta stop opening these comment threads

Obviously it's awful. I'm not sure what you're going on about

I can't believe you're this dense, but I'll make it as easy for you as I can. These cops got off and that is horrible. If there is anything else that can be done to hold them criminally responsible, then I'm all for that. Unfortunately, it seems like that there's nothing else that can be done as far as criminal charges go.

So, if we accept that there will be no criminal charges, then what is better: the police dept losing a massive civil suit or the police department facing no civil penalty at all. I would think that it's obvious that the former is preferable, and that was the point of my earlier post.

Simple enough?

An inquiry about the civil suit doesn't mean I don't think the lack of an indictment is a massive failure. The fact that these guys were not even indicted is terrible.

How much would these killings increase if there wasn't that consequence?

Always asking the important questions.

He was pointing the gun at people though, you can see that in the full video. That is what prompted the call to police. It was warranted to call the police when someone is doing that with a gun. There was no way for the people to know that was a replica gun.

I don't understand why the police pulled right up to what they thought was an armed gunmen. It forced a confrontation with split second consequences. There were no other people around him. Why did they not pull up a distance away, use their car as a shield and get on the mic? He wasn't an active shooter, just a guy waving a gun.

Would have liked to seen both cops charged with involuntary manslaughter, and the jury could then decide if it was or not.

Just to be clear, is it legal to ban toy guns in America?

In Ohio a realistic looking toy gun being carried in a park with no one else around at the time is a death sentence carried out on the spot by Judge Dredd.

In Nevada you can point a realistic looking real gun at a federal agent and do interviews on tv so everyone knows who you are and nothing ****ing happens to you.