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Old 03-08-2015, 03:37 AM   #26
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Well yeah. One side thinks unarmed people shouldn't be executed, the other side points out they are black.
It really is this simple these days and it disgusts me.
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Old 03-08-2015, 06:02 AM   #27
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"Madison Mayor Paul Soglin told the Journal that there would be an out-of-area investigation into the shooting as required by a newly passed state law."


So Wisconsin won't allow the city to investigate events when its own police are involved.
This is a great "newly passed state law". Every state should do this. Or maybe even the Feds should investigate all police shootings.
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Old 03-08-2015, 06:04 AM   #28
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He was convicted of armed robbery in 2014 (http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails...nt=55&offset=4) and supposedly attacked a police officer before being shot in self-defense, I think it is a bit early for anyone to jump to conclusions and we all need to wait for more facts to come out. It is a sad situation.
And apparently he assaulted someone, then assaulted the cop who suffered a head wound.

As a badger, I want to believe the best (which, i guess is that the kid deserved to be shot. That's not very good.)
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Old 03-08-2015, 09:11 AM   #29
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Let us hope that the two sides combined represent only a small portion of the population, and that the rest of us are going to let the facts revealed in the upcoming days inform us which "side" to be on.

I am happy to be on either side based on the eventual facts, and will support either conviction or vindication of the shooter as the facts dictate.
Uh oh... team wait for the facts. That **** don't play here in politics. He was black, and cops are all racist pigs. All the facts you need right there.
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Old 03-08-2015, 09:26 AM   #30
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

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This is a great "newly passed state law". Every state should do this. Or maybe even the Feds should investigate all police shootings.
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And apparently he assaulted someone, then assaulted the cop who suffered a head wound.

As a badger, I want to believe the best (which, i guess is that the kid deserved to be shot. That's not very good.)
Isn't the best we can hope for that it will be investigated fairly and prosecuted correctly if appropriate. Plus some pressure for systemic change - have we no camera footage this time?
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Old 03-08-2015, 09:39 AM   #31
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Uh oh... team wait for the facts. That **** don't play here in politics. He was black, and cops are all racist pigs. All the facts you need right there.
Real countries don't have a killer cop problem like America has. He was unarmed, they should have defused the situation and arrested him.

There is a super easy solution to the problem of apparently black males are constantly go for a cops gun.
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Old 03-08-2015, 12:19 PM   #32
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

Like, tasers and stun guns exist for this exact purpose, why do police forget that
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Old 03-08-2015, 12:41 PM   #33
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

The Ferguson report showed that they actually use tasers/beating the **** out a suspect a lot. That's part of the problem too. Force is option #1 and there's no real punishment for excessive force. Paid vacation while they investigate and a settlement if you're in the wrong.


In this case I think it's important that this cop killed someone before in what was ultimately ruled a "suicide by cop." So...is this guy a suicide by cop magnet or is it something he's doing wrong that made 2 people want to die when they encountered him?
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Old 03-08-2015, 12:51 PM   #34
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Suicide by cop PLUS 15 minutes of National Fame PLUS the family gets a couple million bucks in settlement.


That may seem pretty appealing to someone already considering suicide.
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Old 03-08-2015, 04:15 PM   #35
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

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Real countries don't have a killer cop problem like America has. He was unarmed, they should have defused the situation and arrested him.

There is a super easy solution to the problem of apparently black males are constantly go for a cops gun.
Like not attacking cops or resisting arrest? Not sure what a "real country" is, but I hope you're not suggesting cops go unarmed in country with as many guns as people...
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Old 03-09-2015, 03:43 PM   #36
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

I found a liberal bridge too far the other day concerning the guy in LA that got dusted by the fuzz. Some dude posted "It doesn't matter if he was reaching for a gun" and I went, wait... what?
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Old 03-09-2015, 05:38 PM   #37
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Like not attacking cops or resisting arrest? Not sure what a "real country" is, but I hope you're not suggesting cops go unarmed in country with as many guns as people...
The well trained responsible cops can have guns. So yes, I suppose.
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:21 PM   #38
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

Statement by an Uncle, really well delivered, imo.

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Old 03-09-2015, 07:26 PM   #39
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I heard a bit of that on CNN. He did do a nice job.
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:36 PM   #40
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I heard a bit of that on CNN. He did do a nice job.
He is either well accustomed to public speaking/communicating in his professional life or is a natural. Hit all the right notes, first class presentation.
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:38 PM   #41
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

I have seen seasoned attorneys fail in that spotlight. Kid has a bright future.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:36 AM   #42
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

Coming in with an impressive 4 police killings in 2014, the DeKalb County PD isn't going to be outdone in 2015.

http://www.cbs46.com/story/28301956/...nty-apartments
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:31 AM   #43
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

I'm thinking that if I were a police chief I'd tell my officers that, unless they absolutely see a weapon and are in immediate danger, that they should run away until sufficient back-up arrives. Of course that doesn't do anything for the poor cigarette guy choked to death but aren't most of these cases one on one or am I wrong about that?
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Old 03-10-2015, 10:05 AM   #44
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

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Coming in with an impressive 4 police killings in 2014, the DeKalb County PD isn't going to be outdone in 2015.

http://www.cbs46.com/story/28301956/...nty-apartments
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“At this point this case has been turned over to the Georgia Bureau of Investigations for an independent outside investigation,” Alexander emphasized.
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Old 03-10-2015, 10:05 AM   #45
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

The guy was literally naked, probably crazy, and for that he deserved the death penalty.
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Old 03-10-2015, 10:15 AM   #46
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

One cop takes down, arrests two fighting Spring Breakers, somehow manages to do this without shooting anyone

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152784686581309
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:29 PM   #47
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I'm thinking that if I were a police chief I'd tell my officers that, unless they absolutely see a weapon and are in immediate danger, that they should run away until sufficient back-up arrives.
Ah yes, the "Charlie Hebdo in Paris" solution, where all the cops ran away or got shot and the criminals proceeded to kill a bunch of civilians.


Its important to remember that hundreds of people get shot by the police each year. Only a few cases get a thread in 2+2, cases selected by posters who want to paint all cop shootings as being against innocent people.

The funny thing is, even though these publicized cases are picked to represent the worst in policing, once you get into the details even these cases show the so-called victim was a huge contributor to the event ending in a shooting.

Think of all the non-publicized cases, they must be slam-dunk "police acted properly" cases to have avoided huge publicity and their own 2+2 thread.




We should be for improving police practices but not in a way that worsens the safety of the public and gives criminals free reign to act against us.

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Old 03-10-2015, 02:34 PM   #48
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

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Ah yes, the "Charlie Hebdo in Paris" solution, where all the cops ran away or got shot and the criminals proceeded to kill a bunch of civilians.


Its important to remember that hundreds of people get shot by the police each year. Only a few cases get a thread in 2+2, cases selected by posters who want to paint all cop shootings as being against innocent people.

The funny thing is, even though these publicized cases are picked to represent the worst in policing, once you get into the details even these cases show the so-called victim was a huge contributor to the event ending in a shooting. Think of all the non-publicized cases, they must be slam-dunk "police acted properly" cases to have avoided huge publicity and their own 2+2 thread.
Sooo....not so much with the not taking sides yet then, yes?
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:42 PM   #49
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Sooo....not so much with the not taking sides yet then, yes?
Don't take sides until the facts are out, but once they are out of course stand with what the facts tell us. A few days or even weeks is often too early to get to that point.
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Poor cops just can't get a break when killing unarmed black men.
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