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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

10-03-2015 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
I thought officers already had to write a report every time they discharged their weapons?

I am sure they do. Somebody has to collect the data that no doubt exists. The hardest part would be to know who to contact at each police entity. The FBI field offices could figure this out. Seems like they don't want to publish this data.
10-03-2015 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
I agree with you that it would be nice if all PD would keep detailed stats, but the Federal Government, and especially the AG, have limited power to make it happen. I think LL is right to weigh the feasibility of the Federal Government attempting to force it. I also think requiring it at a condition of consent decrees is a sensible way to go about making sure the worst offenders are having data recorded on them.
1) Robust data would be nice, but I'll accept less detailed stats. I'll start with one simple number. Every month, tell me how many people your officers shot. If that is too onerous, your pd probably needs to stop shooting so many people.

2) The federal government has a ton of leverage over local law enforcement. It provides tons of $, logistical support, training, and surplus weapons to local police forces. Most of this support is already contingent on a number of strings.

3) Doing it via consent decrees is less than ideal b/c you don't get a sense of the full sense of the problem when you don't have national data. Also, federal investigations and consent decrees tend to get imposed after one high profile incident, so you're not necessarily getting data from and monitoring the worst offenders as much as your getting data from the departments that happened to have something happen durring the right part of the news cycle.
10-04-2015 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
I can imagine the process Phil imagines is neccessary. Every cop after every shift sends in a piece of paper to Loretta stating that they did or did not kill anyone today at work.
Dude this is your idea. I would have the PD do the work gathering all the raw data and not even require the FBI to investigate counting how many times a cop shot someone. They should be busy with other ****.

If you think the FBI is the one receiving reports and this is how you're saving manpower crunching numbers in excel then I'd point out the cdc does all this stuff already for civilians so are clearly the best equipped.
10-04-2015 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Dude this is your idea. I would have the PD do the work and not even require the FBI to investigate counting how many times a cop shot someone. They should be busy with other ****.

If you think the FBI is the one receiving reports and this is how you're saving manpower crunching numbers in excel then I'd point out the cdc does all this stuff already for civilians so are clearly the best equipped.

The hardest part of collecting data is knowing who to ask. The FBI has interaction with local police so I figured they would be in best position but the CDC or the census bureau could also get the job done. The point is if the Feds wanted to collect the data it it a trivial task.
10-10-2015 , 09:02 PM
Tamir Rice shooting was tragic but reasonable: prosecution experts

The GJ is still on going and they're releasing this stuff to the media? Don't even know what to say at this point.
10-10-2015 , 09:31 PM
Oh ffs if true.
10-11-2015 , 04:06 PM
When you need a specific answer, you always narrow what is being investigated.

Unless these are just a small number of experts on use of force it's clear the prosecution is blowing the case on purpose. Again.
10-12-2015 , 11:17 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/us...?smid=tw-share

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For 15 minutes, a man shot by an off-duty officer here lay bleeding from two gunshots in his abdomen as the responding officers stood by without providing first aid. At one point, as the victim, a 53-year-old black man, raised his head, an officer used his foot to keep the man’s face on the pavement, according to a dashboard camera video supplied to The New York Times recently by the man’s relatives.
10-12-2015 , 01:02 PM
Cops deploy Taser on black council member in city where Sandra Bland was arrested

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Bodycam footage from two of the officers involved released Sunday shows the council member, 26-year-old Jonathan Miller, talking with police on Thursday night. Several of his fraternity brothers had just left his house to practice a step routine ahead of homecoming, according to local TV station KHOU, when officers stopped them to question them about drug activity.

When Miller came out to find out what was going on, he was told to back away: “Go over here before you go to jail for interfering,” an officer says in the video. Miller takes a few steps back, but the officer repeats that he needs to back up further. Finally, the officer goes up to him and tells him to turn around.

What happened next is unclear from the bodycam video — the officer’s camera fell off during the confrontation.
Because of course it does.

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But a cellphone video shot by one of Miller’s friends and published by local TV station KTRK shows Miller on his knees as two officers try to pull his hands behind his back. Miller kept his arms clamped at his sides. One officer, a woman, appears to be African American. The other, a man, appears to be white.

“Okay, he’s gonna have to tase you, you’re not doing like you’re supposed to,” the female officer says.

Then the male officer points a stun gun toward him. There’s a click, and Miller falls forward with a yell of pain. “I live here man, I live here,” he said after being stunned.
10-12-2015 , 06:37 PM
He was probably hoping for this type of response. The police got pawned pretty good here.
10-12-2015 , 09:27 PM
Someone needs to teach cops to stop falling for the old "trick them into commiting abuse" trap.
10-13-2015 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies
Tamir Rice shooting was tragic but reasonable: prosecution experts

The GJ is still on going and they're releasing this stuff to the media? Don't even know what to say at this point.
Tamir Rice family attorney says expert reports have 'tainted grand jury process'

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Newly unearthed comments about deadly police shootings made by the two experts who defended an Ohio officer’s killing of Tamir Rice have intensified criticisms of prosecutors for selecting them to review the 12-year-old’s death.

One appeared to publicly cast doubt on whether the officer who killed Rice was at fault even before he was commissioned to write a report on the case, the Guardian has learned; the other saw her interpretation of a key US supreme court ruling on police shootings rejected by the Justice Department as too generous to officers.
11-19-2015 , 11:05 AM
I wonder how many of these aren't being reported because they don't happen to Vice Presidents of multinational corporations...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...ops-showed-up/
11-19-2015 , 01:22 PM
Proof #496,227,874 that no good deed goes unpunished.
11-19-2015 , 01:43 PM
The person making the report was fine. Racist, but whatever. The cops were the problem.
11-19-2015 , 01:45 PM
I would like to hear the 911 call before completely absolving the neighbor, if the woman's report is to be believed he sounds like a dick that wouldn't have been a voice of moderation when making the call.
11-19-2015 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
The person making the report was fine. Racist, but whatever. The cops were the problem.
Sort of. People making frequent hyperbolic reports about black people is a problem that puts a strain on police resources even when the police are perfect actors. Not sure how to solve that though, since you obviously don't want to encourage people not to call police.
11-19-2015 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Proof #496,227,874 that no good deed goes unpunished.
Not knowing who your neighbors are and calling the cops because you saw a person of color trying to get into their apartment is not a good deed you sack of crap.
11-19-2015 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
The person making the report was fine. Racist, but whatever. The cops were the problem.
Did you listen to the 911 call?

What part of the call or the article makes you think he is racist?
11-19-2015 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
Sort of. People making frequent hyperbolic reports about black people is a problem that puts a strain on police resources even when the police are perfect actors. Not sure how to solve that though, since you obviously don't want to encourage people not to call police.
Knowing who you live next to isn't too much to ask. I never interact with the other folks in my building, but if somebody's been there for 7 months I know enough to not call the damn cops.
11-19-2015 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Not knowing who your neighbors are and calling the cops because you saw a person of color trying to get into their apartment is not a good deed you sack of crap.
Did you listen to the 911 call?

The guy saw the locksmith and didn't realize what (profession) he was. The guy just saw someone with what he thought were burglary tools forcing the lock without a key.
11-19-2015 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Proof #496,227,874 that no good deed goes unpunished.
Who do you think did a good deed that got punished here and what was the punishment? Being asked "hey did you call the police because I was black? Didn't really like the SWAT team bearing down on me"

Calling the police seems fine, but punishment seems like a weird way to categorize it
11-19-2015 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
Did you listen to the 911 call?

The guy saw the locksmith and didn't realize what (profession) he was. The guy just saw someone with what he thought were burglary tools forcing the lock without a key.
I just did- and that doesn't counteract a thing I said.

If you're the calling the cops type, be the know your neighbors type. I don't think what he did is horrible, but I'm not going to call it a good deed either (especially when the guy taking that position is Howard's "No guys stop and frisk is a good thing" hatefull ass.)
11-19-2015 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
Did you listen to the 911 call?

What part of the call or the article makes you think he is racist?
Racism aside, "I'm an attorney, so you can gfy" isn't a very kind thing to say to her. An apology for putting her through the ordeal would have been more appropriate imo. He called the cops trying to do a solid for whoever lived there. One would think he'd try to be more friendly to the neighbour he was trying to help out when face to face with her.

Last edited by Oroku$aki; 11-19-2015 at 05:01 PM.
11-19-2015 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Racism aside, "I'm an attorney, so you can gfy" isn't a very kind thing to say to her. An apology for putting her through the ordeal would have been more appropriate imo. He called the cops trying to do a solid for whoever lived there. One would think he'd try to be more friendly to the neighbour he was trying to help out when face to face with her.
We don't know what she exactly said to him or her tone.

She was justifiably upset by the police officers' actions. Maybe she came across accusatory and tried to blame him for the SMPD's overreaction.

And why an apology? He thought he saw someone breaking into her apartment and called the cops. How did he "put her through the ordeal"?

      
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