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04-11-2015 , 03:18 PM

#451

DrChesspain

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I don't automatically assume that being jailed for non-payment of child support is unjust. Unlike poor citizens who are jailed for not being able to pay bull**** traffic tickets, unpaid child support is a real debt with real victims. Judges should be able to use their discretion as to whether a "deadbeat" parent should have their monthly obligation lowered or is held in contempt for failure to pay.

04-11-2015 , 04:02 PM

#452

formula72

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

wtf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7036174.html

What was your reasoning for "wtf" for the quote you posted?

04-11-2015 , 04:34 PM

#453

2OutsNoProb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JWM155

Yea I can see that. I am just not convinced a jury in South Carolina will find a white cop guilty of murder for killing a black man that ran away. I think there will just be too many people on the jury that will feel sympathetic towards the cop for whatever reason.

It's highly likely he gets found guilty if it goes the distance, but the back end of your point is a reasonable one, and can be taken further: there are way too many people in this country who worship police officers and will defend them at all costs no matter how heinous their actions.

04-11-2015 , 06:48 PM

#454

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adios

The problem here is that this is a brutally shocking display of a white cop probably demonstrating his racial bigotry to the point of shooting a black suspect (I know the victim had a bench warrant for his arrest and ran) in the back, in cold blood. This pretty much validates a lot of the complaints by many that there is a serious problem in the USA with race relations between cops and black communities. It is more than a little unnerving to realize the potential for police to get by with unlawful behavior. I understand the emotional reactions but I think it is time to let the legal process work in this particular case. It is certainly time to address this issue with police forces.

This. Cameras are revealing what most people kinda knew anyway but liked to hope away.

DS's point is good because although we don't know the true %age most of us are confident it's a horribly low %age. I wonder if anyone believes it's close to 100% anymore

04-11-2015 , 07:55 PM

#455

David Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adios

This.

. It is more than a little unnerving to realize the potential for police to get by with unlawful behavior.

I think that most people will agree with me that the bigger problem involves borderline but legal behavior. As I wrote elsewhere I think when the decision to shoot or otherwise make it tough on a perpetrator allows the cop some leeway he will tend to have less empathy toward a black guy and choose the tougher alternative. Where I differ with the extreme liberals is that I, unlike them, think that this is often subconscious.

04-11-2015 , 08:02 PM

#456

ALLTheCookies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by formula72

What was your reasoning for "wtf" for the quote you posted?

1/8 of jail pop is in there for late child support. How does throwing these guys in jail help them pay that?

04-11-2015 , 08:25 PM

#457

adios

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

1/8 of jail pop is in there for late child support. How does throwing these guys in jail help them pay that?

Money to get bailed out goes toward child support owed. Once the state's child support enforcement agency gets involved they are going to go to court to collect and this is is one way they get delinquents to start paying.

04-12-2015 , 12:59 AM

#458

ALLTheCookies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adios

Seems unsustainable.

04-12-2015 , 02:12 AM

#459

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

I think that most people will agree with me that the bigger problem involves borderline but legal behavior.

Shooting a fleeing suspect isn't a borderline legal situation, homeslice. That's pretty much murder.

04-12-2015 , 07:38 AM

#460

RowCoach

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It's actually supported by case law when the suspect is proven to be a danger to others and society.

04-12-2015 , 07:55 AM

#461

[Phill]

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Originally Posted by adios

Steve owes child support.

Your solution getting Steve to pay is to spend 25 grand* in court and prison costs, ensure he loses any job he has today** and seriously limit future employment?

* I strongly suspect this is a lowball
** given they can garnish wages in SC for child support I'd bet these guys ended up there due to unemployment, which then completely undermines the idea they are delinquent, as the term is commonly used

04-12-2015 , 07:56 AM

#462

[Phill]

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Also the huge rate of 1 in 8 tells you all you need to know that it's a failed idea.

04-12-2015 , 09:53 AM

#463

David Sklansky

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Kind of a pointless question since it's impossible to know, but yeah, I got about 5%.

The reason it is not a pointless question, which, as former poster of the month you should have realized, is because it is just as important to know how various people would answer it as it is to find the correct answer.

Those people who are saying one percent or less are actually hurting their own cause because that is obviously ridiculous and therefore gives ammunition to the other side who can claim that liberals are in la la land. This gives them a chance to distract from the fact that if the correct number was as high as even 70% or so it is a big problem.

04-12-2015 , 09:58 AM

#464

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by RowCoach

It's actually supported by case law when the suspect is proven to be a danger to others and society.

Failure to pay child support doesn't count.

04-12-2015 , 10:14 AM

#465

ALLTheCookies

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...yelled-5504376

Quote:

The officer then says "I shot him" drops the weapon to the floor and adds "I'm sorry".

But his colleagues continue to pin Harris to the ground and in response to his claims he is struggling to breath, an officer says "F*** your breath".

Harris died an hour later in hospital.

Despite the shocking video footage, officers involved have said they didn't realise Harris had been shot and didn't call for medical help for some time.

04-12-2015 , 11:52 AM

#466

lycosid

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Robert Bates is an insurance executive but was working as a Violent Crimes reserve deputy in Oklahoma.

The ex-full-time officer went for his Taser after Harris offered to sell methamphetamine and a gun.

WTF WTF

04-12-2015 , 12:30 PM

#467

NMcNasty

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Those people who are saying one percent or less are actually hurting their own cause because that is obviously ridiculous and therefore gives ammunition to the other side who can claim that liberals are in la la land. This gives them a chance to distract from the fact that if the correct number was as high as even 70% or so it is a big problem.

Given that we have a few hundred "justifiable" homicides a year, it should be obvious that even at 99% we have a huge problem. Typically, on the national scale, for issues like this its liberals that are straining to get conservatives to even concede that there is any race issue at all without being blasted as "race-baiters". Whether its 20%, 5%, or 1% is kind of a pointless discussion when you can't get the real opposition down from 100%.

04-12-2015 , 04:01 PM

#468

Wheel Gunner

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...yelled-5504376

Tulsa lets 73 year old contributor to the sheriff's campaign play cop. There is a good idea. Tulsa World goes tsk, tsk., you might want to look at this.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/ed...d881f14a6.html

04-12-2015 , 04:34 PM

#469

lycosid

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Tulsa PD basically sponsoring a kill black people fantasy camp for old rich dudes.

04-12-2015 , 04:35 PM

#470

SenorKeeed

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A+

04-12-2015 , 06:30 PM

#471

JWM155

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lycosid

Tulsa PD basically sponsoring a kill black people fantasy camp for old rich dudes.

LOL.

04-12-2015 , 06:30 PM

#472

PoundingTheUnder

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guy- you shot me. i can't breath.

some ******* cop- **** your breath. you ran.

THESE ****ING SAVAGES ARE OUT OF CONTROL AND SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.

04-12-2015 , 06:37 PM

#473

PoundingTheUnder

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how could a ****ing idiot think these people are protectors of the community?

i'm beyond ****ing tilted. ****ing ****s. i'd beat that animal to death with my bare hands. ****ing savages.

04-12-2015 , 06:40 PM

#474

PoundingTheUnder

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we should all just discount this as a couple of cops making 'a bad decision'. of course these people aren't representative of the leo community in general.

**** THE COPS!!!!! ****ING ANIMALS!!!!!!!

04-12-2015 , 06:45 PM

#475

vhawk01

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Originally Posted by Wheel Gunner

I mean, at this point they could make a pretty plausible argument like "Yeah I mean this weekend warrior fauxcop accidentally shot and killed a real human being, but I mean, its not like we were negligent. He followed all the proper procedures!"

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