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No, interacting with racists like you makes me very annoyed and angry, isn't that obvious by now? Its a disgrace that people like you exist in the year 2015.

08-19-2015 , 01:15 AM

#4678

[Phill]

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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

That one never gets old. It's a timeless classic.

We need to hold a fundraiser. Call it "stop reaching for nothing", because apparently many many unarmed people in America are reaching for nothing in their waistband's. You could even say it was an epidemic the amount of times it happens.

08-19-2015 , 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by raradevils

They just charged the teen:

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...epage-featured

Silly suspect. Why you reach to your waistband when you were already holding the gun?

Wss the gun magic given it flew approximately twice the length of the fuselage of a Boeing 777 and remained there unseen despite the massive number of police searching the area until the next day.

Maybe the cop was magic, he shouted gun, then conveniently a day later one was found. They also seem to have magicked up that witness who saw the kid reaching for the gun in his waistband that was also in his hand at the same time too. Abra kadabra mother ****er.

08-21-2015 , 01:56 PM

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ALLTheCookies

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Seems the STL PD version of the story is falling apart.

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The teenager whose fatal shooting by St. Louis police on Wednesday sparked protests in that city was shot in the back, police said.

Mansur Ball-Bey, an 18-year-old African American who was shot dead during a police chase, died from a wound in the back, according to a preliminary autopsy.

Quote:

“Just because he was shot in the back doesn’t mean he was running away,” Dotson was quoted as saying. “It could be, and I’m not saying that it doesn’t mean that. I just don’t know yet.

Family's lawyer claiming he wasn't even in the house.

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But Jermaine Wooten, an attorney for Ball-Bey’s family, claimed that eyewitness testimony proved Ball-Bey was unarmed.

“No one verifies that he had a gun,” said Wooten. “We do know that he was not in that house, he did not run out of the back door. He wasn’t even on the property where that search warrant was executed – he was two properties over.”

Wooten added: “Plainclothes police came approaching him and another young man with weapons drawn. They didn’t know they were police: They took off, running. It appears he would have been shot from the back.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...ack-by-police/

08-21-2015 , 07:57 PM

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Whelp.

08-22-2015 , 12:36 PM

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Black Lives Matter releases their policy suggestions

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The campaign broke down its policy ideas to 10 categories:

End broken windows policing.

Community oversight.

Limit use of force.

Independently investigate and prosecute.

Community representation.

Body cameras and filming the police.

Training.

End for-profit policing.

Demilitarization.

Fair police contracts.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/21/9188729...-campaign-zero

08-22-2015 , 12:41 PM

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Seems like good goals that are achievable.

08-22-2015 , 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

Seems like good goals that are achievable.

Except for the fact that at least half of the initiatives would be oppossed by many police departments.

08-22-2015 , 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrChesspain

Except for the fact that at least half of the initiatives would be oppossed by many police departments.

Agree. The progress would no doubt be incremental on most of these issues. Body cams and independent review seem the easiest to change. The legal standard seems the least likely.

08-22-2015 , 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

Agree. The progress would no doubt be incremental on most of these issues. Body cams and independent review seem the easiest to change. The legal standard seems the least likely.

Cameras are inevitable now. Apart from being imposed anyway the police will increasingly want their won cameras as otherwise it will too often be the other side that has the only footage.

08-22-2015 , 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Cameras are inevitable now. Apart from being imposed anyway the police will increasingly want their own(fyp) cameras as otherwise it will too often be the other side that has the only footage.

lolwat? so that they can have a different film angle and additional evidence against themselves to share when they are caught brutalizing/murdering citizens? makes sense.

08-22-2015 , 02:32 PM

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Well a lot don't do that or, even if they did, think they're in the right so they won't see it as that. There's already at least one incident caught on a cops personally bought camera. That it shows him literally falling over himself to not shoot a white guy coming at him screaming he was gonna kill him speaks more than him buying the camera.

08-22-2015 , 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

lolwat? so that they can have a different film angle and additional evidence against themselves to share when they are caught brutalizing/murdering citizens? makes sense.

The cops know full well the value of partial evidence. They wont want to be on the wrong side of it.

One of the ways we speed up the taking up of cameras is to sell it to the police as in their own protection from false accusations. They will buy that.

08-22-2015 , 04:22 PM

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so recording themselves committing crimes will help prevent them from being on the wrong side of the video evidence. oookkkkkkk

08-22-2015 , 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

so recording themselves committing crimes will help prevent them from being on the wrong side of the video evidence. oookkkkkkk

Is that how you think the police see it? You don't think they think they are at risk of false complaints and accusations?

08-22-2015 , 04:42 PM

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if that were true, they'd have already embraced the bodycams. instead we've seen nothing but resistance, and plenty of incidents where they've turned them off

08-22-2015 , 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

if that were true, they'd have already embraced the bodycams. instead we've seen nothing but resistance, and plenty of incidents where they've turned them off

Except they have always known they will be believed (within the justice system) so it offered them almost nothing positive and a lot of trouble at times.

08-22-2015 , 04:47 PM

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Complaints of police abuse, in the absence of video evidence, are largely ignored by police departments, even when valid. (Compare, for example, the playbook followed by police in their reports to reality in cases where video evidence later emerged.)

The "risk" to an officer of a false complaint has been pretty minimal.

08-22-2015 , 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Except they have always known they will be believed (within the justice system) so it offered them almost nothing positive and a lot of trouble at times.

you're operating under the premise that they feel justified/excused in doing what they're doing (i.e. want bodycams for their own benefit), and i don't believe that for a second because of all the collusion and falsifying of reports and statements that always goes on in the aftermath of these things. sorry but your logic is faulty here

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08-22-2015 , 06:01 PM

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Areas that have cameras have seen drastic reductions in complaints against police. It's not clear whether they will change indictment or guilty numbers, but they definitely impact behavior, which is at least part of the overall goal.

08-22-2015 , 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

you're operating under the premise that they feel justified/excused in doing what they're doing, and i don't believe that for a second because of all the collusion and falsifying of reports and statements that always goes on in the aftermath of these things. sorry but your logic is faulty here

You're way overstating this objection. The police do not share your image of them.

Plus memory is very poor compared to videos. Try recording your life for a bit and then try to remember what happened - you probably expect to forget stuff but you might find yourself very surprised at how much you 'remember' that the video proves didn't happen that way.

08-22-2015 , 06:42 PM

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Of course the police don't agree that they are falsifying reports...how would that serve their interests? Of course their memory is the most charitable...I could write an incident report at this point ("clearly identified", "reaching for waistband", "feared for my life", "didn't respond to commands" etc.).

08-22-2015 , 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sholar

You nailed everything except for "demon eyes."

08-22-2015 , 07:45 PM

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Had a google. Maybe a better approach to the subject http://news.yahoo.com/calls-mount-us...205023000.html

This is the bit I think we all agree with:

Quote:

"In the past it was always the case that people gave the police the benefit of the doubt," said David Harris, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh who studies police practices...

"That is beginning to change," he told AFP.

This bit seems contentious

Quote:

Preliminary US studies and studies from Britain show that they are great at collecting evidence, fending off bogus complaints and -- most often -- back up officers accounts, said Harris.

One study from Rialto, California in 2012 found that for officers with cameras, complaints from the public dropped almost 90 percent and uses of force went down nearly 60 percent.

My claim is the police will believe the second quote and as they increasingly can't get away with sort of behavior referred to in the first quote they will become keener on cameras.

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