Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN - Page 14 - Politics and Economics

The problem with all the un-filmed encounters is that a cop does not give up his constitutional rights when he becomes a cop. So if there are 7 legit shootings and 3 non-legit shootings, and none are recorded on film, we are left with reasonable doubt in all 10 cases. With cameras we could convict 2 or 3 of the non-legit shooters.

But they always say, better to let 10 guilty people off than to convict one innocent person, and that applies to all people including cops.

You seem to be under the impression that every murder conviction in America requires video evidence.

04-09-2015 , 09:08 AM

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As someone predicted earlier ITT, FoxNews has decided to cut Slager loose from team "Righteous Cops." One of their lead website stories this morning has the headline South Carolina officer who shot black man was subject of prior excessive force complaint.

I guess after the Garner and Rice killings, FoxNews might be worried about remaining on the side of killer policemen when they are caught clearly on film.

04-09-2015 , 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lycosid

You seem to be under the impression that every murder conviction in America requires video evidence.

Not at all. We can convict on any evidence as long as it meets the reasonable doubt standard.

Cameras will help convict a lot more non-cops than cops btw. The more non-biased evidence we can gather on the scene the better.

04-09-2015 , 09:25 AM

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Not at all. We can convict on any evidence as long as it meets the reasonable doubt standard.

You can only convict on admissible evidence.

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If you are referring to people who have posted in the various threads in this forum about various police and neighborhood watch shootings, I think that your characterization of "leaping to the defense of cops" is way off base.

I was referring to people in the wider drooler-sphere.

04-09-2015 , 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon

Were it not for the video (and the young man who had the courage to come forward with the video), the way the system would be working right now is to vindicate the officer. (Before the video appeared, that's exactly how "the system" was working - the officer was getting away with a total vindication.) After this, one has to wonder ... how many times has this happened when no one was around with a cell phone?

OTOH, I can see the problem that confronts police officers. CNN showed a video last night of an officer questioning a man who had a complaint of domestic violence. After telling the officer that he did not have any weapons on him, he suddenly pulled out a .22 caliber pistol and shot the officer five times (in the face) before killing himself with the officers gun.

Even if police officers were paid $100,000.00/year (plus a generous pension and full health benefits) there's no way in the world I would take that job. Too much risk ...

Can be fairly sure that there's a difference in risk (for the officer) between a domestic violence call and a traffic stop that you initiated.

04-09-2015 , 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Compellingly Smart

You can only convict on admissible evidence.

Well sure, but there wasn't any significant evidence in any of these cases that was excluded, that would have changed the result.

Bottom line, we are getting to the right results in each case based on what is available to us to see in public.

04-09-2015 , 10:28 AM

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This one seems pretty cut and dried. The cop murdered the guy for no good reason. I will be ashamed if the jury does not come to the same conclusion.

04-09-2015 , 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Compellingly Smart

I have found that many who generally leap to the defense of cops in situations where unarmed black kids are gunned down are condemning the actions of this officer. Whether it is out of necessity (because of the video) or sincerity is up for speculation, but i do hope that this demonstrates that there is a large mass of people who generally side with the cops in these instances who aren't racist (they are just very stupid and ignorant). The distinction is important because the stupid can be reached with video evidence whereas the racists simply don't care. It would be great if body cameras became a mandatory part of the police uniform.

This is totally wrong. People don't support all the cop-murderers because they think black people can freely be murdered for no reason. They support them because they find it utterly plausible that all black people are liable act like PCP-crazed maniacs at any time for any reason. This is a profoundly racist belief, but it doesn't mean they support cold-blooded murder. They are just ready to credit the most ludicrous resisting arrest/self-defense stories that murderer cops concoct. You are defining "racism" as a standard that is almost impossible to satisfy for anyone who's not actually in the KKK or some neo-Nazi group.

04-09-2015 , 10:55 AM

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This one seems pretty cut and dried. The cop murdered the guy for no good reason. I will be ashamed if the jury does not come to the same conclusion.

Jury? Seems pretty cut and dry. Only question will be life or death penalty.

04-09-2015 , 11:07 AM

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Conceded. It's great that the full blown KKK types are outnumbered by these types you identify (as we can at least convince them of wrongdoing with solid evidence).

04-09-2015 , 11:09 AM

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Jury? Seems pretty cut and dry. Only question will be life or death penalty.

I really hope you are right. Although it seems likely that he might just end up pleading and taking life to avoid the DP.

04-09-2015 , 11:14 AM

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What separates this from all over the other negro killings this year? A smart phone and some big fing balls...

What in the living **** is up with your word choice here?

And this entire post?

04-09-2015 , 11:18 AM

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Even if police officers were paid $100,000.00/year (plus a generous pension and full health benefits) there's no way in the world I would take that job. Too much risk ...

Most of METRO here in Vegas is doing a bit better than that.

04-09-2015 , 11:19 AM

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What in the living **** is up with your word choice here?

And this entire post?

I think his point is that were it not for the brave guy with the camera phone, this case might have played out like the others.

04-09-2015 , 11:22 AM

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comments sections on fb and news articles are so fkn depressing

It's always an excellent opportunity to thin the friends list herd though

04-09-2015 , 11:37 AM

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Jury? Seems pretty cut and dry. Only question will be life or death penalty.

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I really hope you are right. Although it seems likely that he might just end up pleading and taking life to avoid the DP.

This isn't gonna be a death penalty case. The cop is guilty of second-degree murder at worst.

04-09-2015 , 11:56 AM

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This is basically the strategy that the right takes towards all progressive ideas. They know, deep down, that they're on the wrong side of history/morality/decency on things like race relations, police misconduct, gender inequality. But they also know that they really dislike black people and women, and really love cops.

So we get things like praising MLK Jr. (hey, I don't deny that racism has ever existed... he was a hero) while calling men that he LITERALLY marched with "race hustlers" and denying the systematic racism that permeates every aspect of American culture. The SAE kids... sure, they were racist (they said one of the forbidden words). But 6 Fox News guests each night calling people thugs and talking about the knockout game, there's no racism there.

Feminists in the 60's, yeah they had a point. Probably society was unfair to women back then. But gender inequality, pay gaps, disparate incentives for girls & boys to enter the sciences.... those are things that only liberal butt buddies acknowledge. Sexism is dead in America today.

And now this. This cop, who claimed that a guy reached for his taser and that he feared for his life before shooting this black guy... he's definitely wrong and a murderer. The cops who killed Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, the guy in the walmart, and the 90+ other black guys who have been killed by police in the first FOUR MONTHS of 2015, when they said they feared for their life they were totally telling the truth. Wait for the facts, dangerous job, heat of the moment, demon look, hulk hogan biceps.

Nobody's falling for it, guys.

Solid post.

04-09-2015 , 12:22 PM

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Conceded. It's great that the full blown KKK types are outnumbered by these types you identify (as we can at least convince them of wrongdoing with solid evidence).

It's not that great. Even the slave-lords of the antebellum South had fairy tales they could tell themselves about how their slaves were better off being brutally exploited by them rather than being free. Sure, it makes them theoretically persuadable and it's certainly better than if all racists were slavering race-war fanatics, but I don't derive all that much comfort from it. We've seen so many cases over the last few years where you think "THIS has got to be the provocation that makes people see what's really happening," only to find out just how far people can bend over backwards to hold on to their beliefs.

04-09-2015 , 01:12 PM

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It's not that great. Even the slave-lords of the Science, Math, and Philosophy forum had fairy tales they could tell themselves about how their slaves were better off being brutally exploited by them rather than being free. Sure, it makes them theoretically persuadable and it's certainly better than if all racists were slavering race-war fanatics, but I don't derive all that much comfort from it. We've seen so many cases over the last few years where you think "THIS has got to be the provocation that makes people see what's really happening," only to find out just how far people can bend over backwards to hold on to their beliefs.

FYP

04-09-2015 , 01:48 PM

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It's always an excellent opportunity to thin the friends list herd though

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Thank you for the laughter..

04-09-2015 , 01:59 PM

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This doesn't change the fact that the individual was gunned down for no reason and there clearly was a better way to handle it. As in let him run and apprehend him another time.

Did anyone else hear that the one that took the video also state that the two, cop and victim were on the group fighting over the taser or was that an unsubstantiated claim?

04-09-2015 , 02:28 PM

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Or maybe just run after him?

04-09-2015 , 04:10 PM

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This will be second degree murder. Honestly though if I had to take the killers place I think Id rather get death than live the life which presumably awaits this guy in jail.