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Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN

04-08-2015 , 08:06 PM
I think we can assume the cop isn't great at math.
04-08-2015 , 08:19 PM
Just tuned in to O'Reilly...Black man explaining how it's Sharpton's fault. Excellent.
04-08-2015 , 08:48 PM
Cop should not only get the death penalty, but we should let the victims mom pull the trigger.

Coming from the resident 2p2 racist. (Sarcasm)
04-08-2015 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Can you simultaneously be a racist and still truly believe that the cop deserves serious punishment?
Sure. It is not at all inconsistent for someone to believe that (i) most black people are lazy and dishonest; and (ii) it is very wrong to shoot lazy and dishonest people without cause.

This person certainly would qualify as a racist.
04-08-2015 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Something along those lines.

I want to see a criminal offense along the line of perverting the course of justice.
We might be able to meet in the middle.

How about the only defense being complete ineptitude? Like, if the cop regularly forgets to wear pants then we just fire him?
04-08-2015 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Yes, and not very interesting question. If you simply have disparity in your standards for how cops treat blacks and whites, that's racist, even if you grant cops will sometimes treat blacks unacceptably by the biased standard.
What would be an interesting question would be who would think it were an interesting question...

I should form my answers in the form of a question, but beer and outrage.
04-08-2015 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JWM155
LOL. This is SC. Dude is like 50% getting off before the jury is even picked. You basically have to hope not a single person on the jury is thinking "Why did that N@gger run to begin with? He must be guilty of something. Cop was doing his job."
I live 80 miles north of where this occurred and this was the exact response I received from a lifelong SC resident. He added " Wud u expect gonna happen when u fugg with the police?"
04-08-2015 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
So here is an interesting question. Can you simultaneously be a racist and still truly believe that the cop deserves serious punishment? Or would your outrage merely be feigned for the sake of politics or decorum or the like?
in what universe is this an interesting question?
04-08-2015 , 09:31 PM
First off...
>LO, when did u take up skiing LOL

second...
>It was brought up in various circles that suspect[s] with outstanding felony warrant[s] tend to justify the use of deadly force. Altho it kinda frightens me that contempt of court on non-payment of child support [the moar liberal term used in my native California is Failure to Appear, a handy catch-all misdemeanor] could EVER jack up to felony status. Even under Sharia law, ffs.

third...
>I'm not ready to pass judgement on the cop yet. I wanna see fingerprint and DNA reports on that taser, especially since it appears as such a gray area in the video. My guess is that the lawyer that excused himself, his firm was NOT technologically equipped to handle a case like this.
04-08-2015 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
Body cameras that can't be turned off should be absolutely 100% standard equipment for any on duty cop that carries a gun.

Not sure how any sane person can argue against it really.

It would nip in the bud many police abuses (early data indicates this) and help prove the remaining ones that happen. It also has the indirect effect of protecting good police from false allegations of abuse.

If you don't like that idea and think it invades your privacy, that's fine, you don't have to be cop. When you've been given the authority to use deadly force to do your job, that should come with certain stipulations.
here, i'll argue against it:

why does the military mount their cameras on the forehead?

why do the police want cameras on the chest?

because police officers want to be able to easily obscure their cameras, and military infantry don't have a labor union to help them get away with systematic war crimes.
04-08-2015 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by spike420211

third...
>I'm not ready to pass judgement on the cop yet. I wanna see fingerprint and DNA reports on that taser, especially since it appears as such a gray area in the video. My guess is that the lawyer that excused himself, his firm was NOT technologically equipped to handle a case like this.
Not sure if serious. I assume not.
04-08-2015 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies
Don't know anything about him yet but Chris Hayes is interviewing him tonight.
Here's the interview: http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/ex...g-425199683867
04-08-2015 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spike420211
First off...

>LO, when did u take up skiing LOL



second...

>It was brought up in various circles that suspect[s] with outstanding felony warrant[s] tend to justify the use of deadly force. Altho it kinda frightens me that contempt of court on non-payment of child support [the moar liberal term used in my native California is Failure to Appear, a handy catch-all misdemeanor] could EVER jack up to felony status. Even under Sharia law, ffs.



third...

>I'm not ready to pass judgement on the cop yet. I wanna see fingerprint and DNA reports on that taser, especially since it appears as such a gray area in the video. My guess is that the lawyer that excused himself, his firm was NOT technologically equipped to handle a case like this.
I figures the lawyer quit because his client lied to him. Obv just a guess.
04-08-2015 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spike420211
First off...
>LO, when did u take up skiing LOL
Glad you like the avatar spike! Hope you're well sir.

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>I'm not ready to pass judgement on the cop yet. I wanna see fingerprint and DNA reports on that taser, especially since it appears as such a gray area in the video. My guess is that the lawyer that excused himself, his firm was NOT technologically equipped to handle a case like this.
This does not look a complicated case. While I agree that the video doesn't conclusively show a taser being dropped, it does conclusively show an unarmed man being shot five times in the back as he runs away. The cop is guiltier than a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo, and if his lawyer has dropped him it's most likely because he doesn't want to be on the wrong side of this high profile case.
04-08-2015 , 10:37 PM
Looks like the system is working. When a government employee commits a crime, he is charged with that crime just like anyone else would be, this has happened in SC.

This is as it should be.

The system also works when it does not charge a government employee who did not commit a crime, especially when it stands up to activist arranged protests to railroad someone into being charged for a crime they did not commit.

For those paying attention, the system is working, both when a cop is charged in SC and when a cop is not charged in MO. They are just trying to get it right based on the facts, and it seems that they are getting it right.

+1 for the system working as intended. We should be happy about this.
04-08-2015 , 10:46 PM
gotta be happy about blacks getting killed amirite

technically speaking tho, the system did work as intended in MO, as the prosecutor never intended to take the case to trial in the first place.
04-08-2015 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
"I won't hire a black guy, I won't let me daughter marry a black guy, and I definitely think black people are stoopedir than white people. But sure we shouldn't outright shoot them dead and get away with it".

DS think it is an interesting question whether such a person is racist.
No. I was actually asking whether the guy with these attitudes is likely to be horrified by these shootings. I should have said "classic" or "extreme" racist when I asked the original question. Obviously the less extreme type have no use for this cop.
04-08-2015 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
No. I was actually asking whether the guy with these attitudes is likely to be horrified by these shootings. I should have said "classic" or "extreme" racist when I asked the original question. Obviously the less extreme type have no use for this cop.
Like, is there such a thing as True Racist, such that No True Racist would be Truly horrified? This seems like an even stupider question.
04-08-2015 , 11:14 PM
Lol abseeker.
04-08-2015 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
No. I was actually asking whether the guy with these attitudes is likely to be horrified by these shootings. I should have said "classic" or "extreme" racist when I asked the original question. Obviously the less extreme type have no use for this cop.
Well, if by "extreme" racist you meant someone who thinks black people should be hunted for sport... I don't really think those people exist in non-negligible numbers.

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Or would your outrage merely be feigned for the sake of politics or decorum or the like?
I doubt racists are going to feign outrage here, it's too close to admitting that they secretly approve of murder. Rather, they're much more likely to come up with all sorts of excuses to convinces themselves and others that the killing was justifiable for some reason or another.
04-08-2015 , 11:27 PM
did DS really just ask if the average hood wearing cross burning kkk member would feel rage or indignance towards THE COP after watching that video? looooooooooooooooool, he just killed a ******, he's basically a saint in their eyes.
04-08-2015 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by spike420211
First off...
>LO, when did u take up skiing LOL

second...
>It was brought up in various circles that suspect[s] with outstanding felony warrant[s] tend to justify the use of deadly force. Altho it kinda frightens me that contempt of court on non-payment of child support [the moar liberal term used in my native California is Failure to Appear, a handy catch-all misdemeanor] could EVER jack up to felony status. Even under Sharia law, ffs.

third...
>I'm not ready to pass judgement on the cop yet. I wanna see fingerprint and DNA reports on that taser, especially since it appears as such a gray area in the video. My guess is that the lawyer that excused himself, his firm was NOT technologically equipped to handle a case like this.
A felony warrant does not justify the use of deadly force. And failure to appear isn't a liberal term for non-payment of child support, it literally means that you didn't show up for a court hearing and so an arrest warrant has been issued by the judge in your case.

WRT your last point, I can't imagine what kind of technology you think the law firm needs in this case that they don't have. It's not like criminal defense attorneys do fingerprint and DNA testing in house. They hire experts.
04-08-2015 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by abseeker
Looks like the system is working. When a government employee commits a crime, he is charged with that crime just like anyone else would be, this has happened in SC.

This is as it should be.

The system also works when it does not charge a government employee who did not commit a crime, especially when it stands up to activist arranged protests to railroad someone into being charged for a crime they did not commit.

For those paying attention, the system is working, both when a cop is charged in SC and when a cop is not charged in MO. They are just trying to get it right based on the facts, and it seems that they are getting it right.

+1 for the system working as intended. We should be happy about this.
This is basically the strategy that the right takes towards all progressive ideas. They know, deep down, that they're on the wrong side of history/morality/decency on things like race relations, police misconduct, gender inequality. But they also know that they really dislike black people and women, and really love cops.

So we get things like praising MLK Jr. (hey, I don't deny that racism has ever existed... he was a hero) while calling men that he LITERALLY marched with "race hustlers" and denying the systematic racism that permeates every aspect of American culture. The SAE kids... sure, they were racist (they said one of the forbidden words). But 6 Fox News guests each night calling people thugs and talking about the knockout game, there's no racism there.

Feminists in the 60's, yeah they had a point. Probably society was unfair to women back then. But gender inequality, pay gaps, disparate incentives for girls & boys to enter the sciences.... those are things that only liberal butt buddies acknowledge. Sexism is dead in America today.

And now this. This cop, who claimed that a guy reached for his taser and that he feared for his life before shooting this black guy... he's definitely wrong and a murderer. The cops who killed Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, the guy in the walmart, and the 90+ other black guys who have been killed by police in the first FOUR MONTHS of 2015, when they said they feared for their life they were totally telling the truth. Wait for the facts, dangerous job, heat of the moment, demon look, hulk hogan biceps.

Nobody's falling for it, guys.
04-08-2015 , 11:41 PM
These cops all use the same playbook, lol at telling a corpse to put his hands behind his back. I am surprised he did not pull out the old stop resisting card.

Maybe it is still early in the process but from all reports he was only charged with murder making it an all or nothing deal. Normally prosecutors like to pile on the charges which in this case could include conspiracy, obstruction of justice, lying on an official report, assault under color of authority, etc
04-08-2015 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Wheel Gunner
These cops all use the same playbook, lol at telling a corpse to put his hands behind his back. I am surprised he did not pull out the old stop resisting card.

Maybe it is still early in the process but from all reports he was only charged with murder making it an all or nothing deal. Normally prosecutors like to pile on the charges which in this case could include conspiracy, obstruction of justice, lying on an official report, assault under color of authority, etc
Eh, this can go both ways. It's also a prosecutorial strategy to only charge the most serious offense in a case like this because charging, say, Murder and Manslaughter can result in a jury trying to come to a "compromise" verdict and finding him guilty of the lesser charge.

      
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