This is ignorant in like 5 different ways. The best of which being telling a guy what his friend thinks in some sad attempt to excuse racism because you don't like or have a clue about hip-hop.

And yeah- Wil's obv been on that "I love black people but I can't stand ..." bull****.

Yes, lol you for seeking out any explanation for why a guy would be dropping N bombs other than just that he's racist.

Ouch, I've heard that one from some friends that grew up in South Carolina.

The bartender clearly differentiated "black" from "******", so are you saying that if the bartender didn't use the N-word, then he wouldn't have been racist?

But what if someone is actually racist, but merely avoids saying certain words? Then he could escape your racism detector, without ever not actually being racist, which presumably is the ultimate goal.

No, I'm sure there are a number of other racist ways that person could have articulated their thoughts on race relations without dropping N bombs.

I'll stop you here. No, it's still very easy to be racist while avoiding certain words.

I figured it was clear from my post that I have years of experience with this guy, kind of makes it easy to figure him out.

Yeah here's a hint, if someone says "I don't hate black people I just hate ******s" and "I do this to keep those people away" you can conclude with 100% accuracy they are racist.

Wil, you won't see yourself as caught in a gotcha because you have shown you lack the mental aptitude to follow basic logical inferences. What you are arguing makes no sense, and I don't mean from a policy perspective, I mean it's arguing "a=b and b=c but a<>c".

Well, I guess what's confusing to me is that if the class the bartender hated were "people who steal stuff from my bar" nobody would have a problem with that.

When the bartender qualifies his statement as "I don't have a problem with black people in general" it leads me to believe his subsequent remarks will fall more into the "people who steal stuff from my bar"-like category (and not a racially-based discrimination).

I could agree that the bartenders is racist towards one sect of black people--hip hoppy people. But is that still being racist really? In that case, the bartender hates a certain lifestyle, a hip hop life style, which arguably isn't necessarily a racial thing.

lol wat?

It's weird that the hip hop thing is the part you're latching onto here. Kinda hit home for you?

Well I'm glad you think you have it all figured out. It's amusing to wake up and see stuff like this. For some reason you love to speculate about my personal life. Why is that? Do you really think you have my all figured out and I'm just putting up some sort of weird front on the internet? Sure, it's possible, but it's highly unlikely.

The bottom line is I'll never be able to change what you think of me, and I'm ok with that. Think what you want. It is kind of funny though.

I rarely dodge anything unless I don't like interacting with specific people. It does seem that this question belongs in the Texas town thread though. Let's discuss it there?

What is this nonsense? You sound like a fool even posting this crap. Speak like a normal person. Wtf does the above even mean? You're tripping all over yourself trying to come off as intelligent, it's comical.

No I "latched onto" hip hop because that was your description of the situation.

Notice how you had to edit out the other bits around it?

No?

What part are you accusing me of deceptively editing out?

Using the n word? Saying he keeps his prices slightly higher to keep blacks out? Talking about how he's sure there's nice black people around but he's rarely met them and they always seem to wrong him in some way?

I need to coin a law that when anyone says "hip hop lifestyle" in a non satire they are racist.

Yea I already accept all that--rjoe. I thought it was obvious. The post I was responding to was about hip hop specifically, so I only quoted the hip hop part.

I was asking whether, if the bartender hates a hip hop lifestyle, does that necessarily make him racist. I mean hip hop is stereotypically thought to be a black thing, but it's not technically a black thing. So I was wondering if a person who hate a hip hop lifestyle would qualify as a racist.

LIke what if I generally hated death metal music and the whole death metal culture. Is that on par with being racist?

Put all the code words together. Thug, hip hop lifestyle, etc. Let us know when you get that law passed.

You realize this makes no sense right? You were asking if I misread him because maybe he just doesn't like hip hop and nevermind all the other really racist things because ... ? The post you were responding to had all those things together. Like I said, it's odd to pull the one bit out and run with it in this way.

I accept that he said ****** and that his general sentiment was to discourage a certain type of person from frequenting his bar.

However the bartender also said that he generally didn't have a problem with black people, but rather that it's only a certain type of person that he didn't care for at his place of business.

Is that type of person necessarily black, that he doesn't want there? Or is his basis for discrimination more complex than that? I got the impression of the latter. Hence my question of whether hating hip hop dovetails with hating black people.

Really not enough lols for someone who hears 'I like black people but I hate ******s' and thinks 'oh, he's not racist, he just hates a certain type of person totally unrelated to race'

Is "the hip hops" a British idiom? Kind of like how they say "maths" instead of "math"

I say, lovely day for a spot of the hip hops, eh, old chap?

If he welcomes wealthy non hip hop-style black people in, can you really say he's racist against black people? I don't think you could. In that case he's more like a snobby classist than truly racist. Which may be just as bad as being racist, but isn't racist per se.