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Old 04-08-2015, 02:12 PM   #251
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

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I think the combination of 8 shots, the image with the utterly safe distance between the two, moving the taser and the guy's boss snap burring him there's less risk of any sort of blue wall here. It's also very easy to paint him as a lone bad actor and make the other cops look good by coming down hard on him.
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Old 04-08-2015, 02:17 PM   #252
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I'm afraid to watch fox news today. You know someone there is going to make the police officer the victim.
You don't understand how Fox rolls. To the extent the talking heads on Fox cover this story, they will piss all over this cop. They will not hesitate to talk about what a psychopath he is, and how he should get death penalty.

The MO is to defend the cops in every situation with even the slightest hint of ambiguity. In completely indefensible spots, you get Biblical about what the punishment should be for the lone psychopath cop.

This is called fair and balanced reporting.

You see the same phenomenon with Fox's coverage of politicians as well. You blow the dog whistle for racists one minute and then give the Ben Carsons of the world a hand job the next minute.

See how this works.
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Old 04-08-2015, 02:21 PM   #253
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Justice is probably a little more important than your entertainment.
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Old 04-08-2015, 02:23 PM   #254
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Honestly, I don't know how you explain 5 shots in the back even without a video.
He was circling around to gain momentum for the demon bull rush.
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Old 04-08-2015, 02:36 PM   #255
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Full disclosure: I am playing a bit of devil's advocate here because I hate making emotional kneejerk decisions. My initial reaction to the video was "damn, cop just murdered that guy". But then again I'm sitting here in my chair looking at a computer screen, not out on the streets on patrol. Even then I have to assume a modicum of common sense and believe that there is simply no legitimate threat this cop was facing. Even the officers mannerisms suggest a rather cavalier shooting. I dont detect any degree of urgency or panic in his motions, but rather more like how he would draw his weapon at a shooting range, cold and confident.

At the same time though there are elements to what happened that need to be examined. Some people will point to "well what happened before the altercation? What was the traffic stop like? Who was with him?" I'm not even concerned about that because it will forever be hearsay. What we do know is

1) Cop fired taser
2) Taser didnt work
3) Cop lost control of taser either intentionally or was disarmed
4) Cop fired gun
5) Cop moved taser for unknown and utterly useless reason. I'm sorry but you are never going to convince me this was a plant because you cannot plant a taser in this manner. The cop would have to wind up all the cable from the probes and collect about 100 afid tags off the ground to make it look like there was a struggle in that area that required the taser to be directly next to the body.
Playing devils advocate is one thing, but obsessively responding to every single conversation and topic in this thread with the same repetitive thought process is completely undermining everybody's ability to have an important conversation here.

I live here in south carolina, I understand the culture. I had something to say. But I refuse to get involved in this particular conversation.

A man died here, right down the road, and you just can't stop talking. Control yourself man.

This isn't about you.
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Old 04-08-2015, 03:06 PM   #256
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that ******* is gone, say what you want to say man.
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Old 04-08-2015, 03:06 PM   #257
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He was circling around to gain momentum for the demon bull rush.
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Old 04-08-2015, 03:22 PM   #258
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Such a sick world we live in. How many times have police lied about deaths like this and gotten away with it?
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Old 04-08-2015, 04:10 PM   #259
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Such a sick world we live in. How many times have police lied about deaths like this and gotten away with it?
By my count 97 blacks have been killed by police so far this year. What’s your best guess?
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Old 04-08-2015, 05:00 PM   #260
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OFFICER:- See even when he got shot, he still had enough energy to do a last pipe.
"i'm joking obv, but really i should never say this.
I am from uk & true story was when i was 20y old my house got broken into, i goto police as it was a 5 min walk to station, i had no phone obv. When i got there told the desk sarg what happened. he says if u don't leave here in 2 min time i will charge U with breaking a housing assiciation door & lieing to cover it up.

This case is beyond words in so many levels to a UK citizen(& should be to rest off the world) on the news here 2nt it said the cop has a good chance of getting of with the murder charge, not surprizing tbh, but when it showed a clip of the video every1 agreed that it was cold blooded murder.
Even with the spin doctors trying to say" yeah rogue cop, we arrested him" makes it even worse. A incident like this should set a example to politicians, the laws/police needs a changing in USA. But tax$ is what i say is the threat, I hope & hope that 1 day 99.9999999% of the USA police force can treat all americans equal & only be allowed to discharge a weapon if fired apon.
what i really won't is to take their guns away, but i don't think that that is possible.
It is never acceptable for a person to take another person's life period.
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Old 04-08-2015, 05:42 PM   #261
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It is never acceptable for a person to take another person's life period.
If I happened to be at a school and some guy was shooting up kindergarteners, and I had a gun on me, I'd take that guy's life and I'd never give it a second thought or lose a moment's sleep over it. Just one example of where, imo, it's acceptable to take a life. Polar opposite of what's being discussed itt which was straight up murder.
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Old 04-08-2015, 06:13 PM   #262
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Man, I have to admit that while I absolutely knew there were tons and tons of morally bankrupt racist cops, I genuinely had no idea that straight up murdering black people was so prevalent.
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Old 04-08-2015, 06:16 PM   #263
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I didn't realize he was aware of the witness. I'm a bit puzzled. After the murder and evidence planting, I'm surprised he didn't run after the witness and try to smash his phone. Or shoot him too and claim the two ganged up on him.

Was the witness on foot or bike? Was he black? What age?
Don't know anything about him yet but Chris Hayes is interviewing him tonight.
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Old 04-08-2015, 06:26 PM   #264
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If I happened to be at a school and some guy was shooting up kindergarteners, and I had a gun on me, I'd take that guy's life and I'd never give it a second thought or lose a moment's sleep over it. Just one example of where, imo, it's acceptable to take a life. Polar opposite of what's being discussed itt which was straight up murder.
I cannot disagree with that senario, i knew after i wrote the last line after posting some1 would say that, but coming from the UK we are brought up to never take a life under any circumstance & have to say i have been lucky not to have had my life threatened, & if i did i would defend it with my life.
So i do retract that last line, in a ideal world we would never have to do this & should do what is needed to get to there asap.
FWIW i hope the officer goes down for life in jail.
In hindsight i meant the GOV should never have the right to take some1 life. If convicted for a crime.

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Old 04-08-2015, 06:32 PM   #265
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Re: Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop)

I can't put my finger on why, but seeing him drop the taser sickened me more than any of the videos of the people getting shot by police. Maybe I'm just numb to the shootings idk. I think part of it is that deep down I wanted to believe that all the cops who keep doing this were just incompetent cowards and there wasn't the big problem people seemed to think. Seeing this guy calmly drop the taser after murdering someone in the back just infuriated me to a whole new level. I'm assuming SC has the death penalty and I wish I could watch him be executed.
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Old 04-08-2015, 06:33 PM   #266
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Kid video taping it is a massive hero too. I hope he becomes well known for it. It took pretty unreal balls since there's a decent chance if the cop saw him he may have killed him and destroyed the phone.
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Old 04-08-2015, 06:38 PM   #267
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I can't put my finger on why, but seeing him drop the taser sickened me more than any of the videos of the people getting shot by police. Maybe I'm just numb to the shootings idk. I think part of it is that deep down I wanted to believe that all the cops who keep doing this were just incompetent cowards and there wasn't the big problem people seemed to think. Seeing this guy calmly drop the taser after murdering someone in the back just infuriated me to a whole new level. I'm assuming SC has the death penalty and I wish I could watch him be executed.
The end of the video shows him picking it back up after he's moved it by the dead guy. No idea why but it's almost as if he shot him, paniced and moved the taser, then realized it wouldn't matter/he'd never get away with it and just picked it up like nothing happened. Pretty bizarre.

Not that any of that matters since he was videotaped murdering a guy.
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Old 04-08-2015, 06:58 PM   #268
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Insane how realistic this scene is
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Old 04-08-2015, 07:04 PM   #269
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Body cameras that can't be turned off should be absolutely 100% standard equipment for any on duty cop that carries a gun.

Not sure how any sane person can argue against it really.

It would nip in the bud many police abuses (early data indicates this) and help prove the remaining ones that happen. It also has the indirect effect of protecting good police from false allegations of abuse.

If you don't like that idea and think it invades your privacy, that's fine, you don't have to be cop. When you've been given the authority to use deadly force to do your job, that should come with certain stipulations.
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Old 04-08-2015, 07:34 PM   #270
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Or they could just go the full step & implement camera's with a control room watching a 180 degree view & giving support, advice for both the police & public safely.
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Old 04-08-2015, 07:45 PM   #271
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You don't understand how Fox rolls. To the extent the talking heads on Fox cover this story, they will piss all over this cop. They will not hesitate to talk about what a psychopath he is, and how he should get death penalty.

The MO is to defend the cops in every situation with even the slightest hint of ambiguity. In completely indefensible spots, you get Biblical about what the punishment should be for the lone psychopath cop.

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So here is an interesting question. Can you simultaneously be a racist and still truly believe that the cop deserves serious punishment? Or would your outrage merely be feigned for the sake of politics or decorum or the like?
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Old 04-08-2015, 07:49 PM   #272
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So here is an interesting question. Can you simultaneously be a racist and still truly believe that the cop deserves serious punishment? Or would your outrage merely be feigned for the sake of politics or decorum or the like?
Yes, and not very interesting question. If you simply have disparity in your standards for how cops treat blacks and whites, that's racist, even if you grant cops will sometimes treat blacks unacceptably by the biased standard.
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Old 04-08-2015, 07:59 PM   #273
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So here is an interesting question. Can you simultaneously be a racist and still truly believe that the cop deserves serious punishment? Or would your outrage merely be feigned for the sake of politics or decorum or the like?
Not just "no", but obviously no. Like the idea that racism is equivalent to this super extreme view where you either openly or secretly want cops to be able to shoot blacks in the back scott free is just nonsense. OF COURSE there are all sorts of forms of racism that go nowhere close to this bar. If the only kind of racism you are going to be pushing back on is the extreme form, you are doing it wrong.
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So here is an interesting question. Can you simultaneously be a racist and still truly believe that the cop deserves serious punishment? Or would your outrage merely be feigned for the sake of politics or decorum or the like?
I feel like this is a set up because it doesn't seem all that interesting. It depends on how strongly your racist leanings are. If you think less of a racial group, you can still think murder is wrong. If you think another race is sib-human, you probably don't care.
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Old 04-08-2015, 08:03 PM   #275
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"I won't hire a black guy, I won't let me daughter marry a black guy, and I definitely think black people are stoopedir than white people. But sure we shouldn't outright shoot them dead and get away with it".

DS think it is an interesting question whether such a person is racist.
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