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05-24-2015 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Well the thread looked like it was going full ****** attacking soldiers because they don't like one soldiers view. Maybe just a ban avoiding tactic but you can not rule out a complete lack of knowledge of the demographic and socioeconomic backgrounds of the guys that serve in the military. You will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the average person.
It was nice to see some people expose themselves for what they are... Like this:
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Prolific's anger issues definitely aren't what I expected from an infantry soldier
Thank god we have people like goofy in this world, because video games are like super important.
05-24-2015 , 10:45 PM
Yeah, but, according to Lou, if you remember the USS Liberty this weekend, that probably means you think the Jews killed Jesus, which is a doubly-dumb thing to say to anyone who doesn't believe in any of that foolishness, which is to say that the whole Blood Libel thing is a creation of Christians, not people who don't believe in foolishness. Even anti-Semitism in general is a creation of Christians, not atheists and not Muslims. Islam wasn't even on the map when Christians were raging against their Jewish roots. Romans were tolerant of Jews until Christianity overtook their pagan Gods. Figured it was Sunday, so I'd give you my sermon. Plus, it's been about a half hour since 10pm, which, as you know, is the precise time of the Immaculate Interception. So Hallelujah and all that Deflated Jazz!

Funny how conservatives use the military to score cheap political points when it suits their needs and forget about them when it comes time to pay them or when they are trying once again to score cheap political points.

And the worst cheap shot was probably the poster who said that the military lost both wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, which is false.

The military won both wars and mostly went home. If anyone lost the wars, in a bigger picture sense, it was the politicians and the people who voted for them, because, as most reasonable people agree, Iraq and Afghanistan required political solutions, not military ones.

I mean, you even have ****** Nader types, who said Bush was the same as Gore, then they got Bush and Iraq, and then they trash the military. **** them.
05-25-2015 , 12:04 AM
Even better, the people who criticize goofy's awful posts get banned and their posts deleted!
05-25-2015 , 12:06 AM
? Ikes looks to be doing fine.
05-25-2015 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Russell
Yeah, but, according to Lou, if you remember the USS Liberty this weekend, that probably means you think the Jews killed Jesus, which is a doubly-dumb thing to say to anyone who doesn't believe in any of that foolishness, which is to say that the whole Blood Libel thing is a creation of Christians, not people who don't believe in foolishness. Even anti-Semitism in general is a creation of Christians, not atheists and not Muslims. Islam wasn't even on the map when Christians were raging against their Jewish roots. Romans were tolerant of Jews until Christianity overtook their pagan Gods. Figured it was Sunday, so I'd give you my sermon. Plus, it's been about a half hour since 10pm, which, as you know, is the precise time of the Immaculate Interception. So Hallelujah and all that Deflated Jazz!

Funny how conservatives use the military to score cheap political points when it suits their needs and forget about them when it comes time to pay them or when they are trying once again to score cheap political points.

And the worst cheap shot was probably the poster who said that the military lost both wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, which is false.

The military won both wars and mostly went home. If anyone lost the wars, in a bigger picture sense, it was the politicians and the people who voted for them, because, as most reasonable people agree, Iraq and Afghanistan required political solutions, not military ones.

I mean, you even have ****** Nader types, who said Bush was the same as Gore, then they got Bush and Iraq, and then they trash the military. **** them.
Jim here is what you wrote.
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Some people claim that the Liberty was attacked by Israel during the 6 Day War so that Israel could attack Syria and the Golan Heights.

Anyway, without going into detail, Microbet, can you admit that Israel should not have attacked the USS Liberty? I mean, if you can't admit that Israel should not have attacked Nasser in '56, can you at least admit that Israel should not have attacked and killed Americans who were in neutral waters?
Is it possible to know the level of detail required to write this post yet not know that both countries concluded that it was an accident that Israel apologized for and paid restitution. I did not think so and figured you understood that you were being dishonest and bigoted.
The other possibility seems to be a cognitive problem that causes you to reject data that would cause others to reexamine their beliefs. I responded to this post in this manner hoping that someone with expertise will weigh in.
05-25-2015 , 04:45 AM
In reading some of the articles on Cleveland I came across the case of Tanisha Anderson. I'm curious why her case doesn't get any attention as it seems similar to the Garner case.

Who is deciding which cases are to get media attention?
05-25-2015 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Yeah, he was 12, but I can see how the officer may have not thought about his age as he was concentrating on the thing that looked very much like a gun in his hand. When he called it in, I believe he described Rice as "about 20 years old". I'm not saying he actually thought he was 20, but it's hard to tell.

Yeah, he was 12, and it's a tragedy, but what the **** was he doing with that thing in his hand? That's not exactly a super-soaker water gun, is it?

If any of us had a 12 year old kid and they said "hey dad, check this out" we'd all snatch it out of their hand and explain how dangerous it was to walk around with that thing, wouldn't we?
Have you even watched the video? You keep saying the gun was in the kids hand. It wasn't.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1...nseless-murder
05-25-2015 , 06:18 AM
Question and apologies if it's been asked before, but if the cop felt his life was in danger, why did he jump on the bonnet of the car?
05-25-2015 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by pdxmike
Have you even watched the video? You keep saying the gun was in the kids hand. It wasn't.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1...nseless-murder
From what I remember it seemed the car pulled up and he was down on the ground pretty quickly. It wasn't very clear what or if he had something in his hand or where that "toy" gun was located.

Do you have some sort of video proof that the gun wasn't in his hand? Please, feel free to enlighten us.
05-25-2015 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by abseeker
In reading some of the articles on Cleveland I came across the case of Tanisha Anderson. I'm curious why her case doesn't get any attention as it seems similar to the Garner case.

Who is deciding which cases are to get media attention?
The media?
05-25-2015 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Question and apologies if it's been asked before, but if the cop felt his life was in danger, why did he jump on the bonnet of the car?
He told the judge he has no memory of jumping on the hood.
05-25-2015 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by abseeker
In reading some of the articles on Cleveland I came across the case of Tanisha Anderson. I'm curious why her case doesn't get any attention as it seems similar to the Garner case.

Who is deciding which cases are to get media attention?
Sharpton.


But nah, it didn't get attention on TV because there's no video. I do know there have been protests this week for her, and people have written about a bit, so it's not like it was ignored.
05-25-2015 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies
He told the judge he has no memory of jumping on the hood.
... He doesn't remember leaping onto the bonnet of a car and firing 15 rounds into the windscreen that was about a meter from him? And the judge bought this? Now I've heard everything. Thanks for the info, much obliged.
05-25-2015 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
... He doesn't remember leaping onto the bonnet of a car and firing 15 rounds into the windscreen that was about a meter from him? And the judge bought this? Now I've heard everything. Thanks for the info, much obliged.
He could be telling the truth, the good parts of your brain take a vacation during fight/flight/adrenaline overload moments you won't have great recollection

Doesn't mean the scumbag should get a free pass obviously
05-25-2015 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Well the thread looked like it was going full ****** attacking soldiers because they don't like one soldiers view. Maybe just a ban avoiding tactic but you can not rule out a complete lack of knowledge of the demographic and socioeconomic backgrounds of the guys that serve in the military. You will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the average person.
lol irony

seattlelou you can barely even communicate a rational or lucid thought about anything, just remember to take ur olds meds ok?

prolific's attitude/world view isn't unique. it's shared by pretty much every single infantry marine and grunt army guy that i've ever known, and i've known plenty. being a bigoted rageoholic with a god complex is pretty standard

and yea, we lost those wars because everybody calling the shots were ****ing idiots. you're not gonna make some stupid snarky comment and have me retract my +1
05-25-2015 , 08:40 AM
and let me just remind jim russell that just because they killed saddam and bin laden does not mean that they "won" anything. just have a look at the state of affairs they've left those countries behind in for proof

that's as far as i'm gonna go on the military derail
05-25-2015 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by abseeker
In reading some of the articles on Cleveland I came across the case of Tanisha Anderson. I'm curious why her case doesn't get any attention as it seems similar to the Garner case.

Who is deciding which cases are to get media attention?
1. No video
2. "Her family called police twice on Nov. 13 to report the 37-year-old woman was disturbing the peace, police said. They eventually agreed to let police take her to St. Vincent Charity Medical Center for a mental health evaluation."
3. No choke hold
4. Cleveland vs NYC
05-25-2015 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bottomset
He could be telling the truth, the good parts of your brain take a vacation during fight/flight/adrenaline overload moments you won't have great recollection

Doesn't mean the scumbag should get a free pass obviously
I can appreciate that and had he had have been part of the contingent that fired into the car before he hopped onto the bonnet, I'd be less skeptical but jumping onto a bonnet and firing at close range is a pretty specific action that requires a certain mobility and element of decision making. Iirc he seems to remember being in fear of his life, which is understandable and maybe he acted upon this fear. But to claim he actually has no recollection of doing this doesn't ring true to me. Cops are trained to a degree wrt the use of force and handling hairy situations. They're trained to process and evaluate such situations better than the average Joe/Jane.
While anyone in such a situation would very probably have a fuzzy recollection where things seemed blurred, I find it hard to believe an actual memory blackout.
Even if he's telling the truth, at best you have an armed police officer suffering memory blackouts whenever he's called upon to protect and serve. That wouldn't sit right with me and the guy needs to be evaluated if that's the case.
05-25-2015 , 11:28 AM
it's too late to edit but now that i've woken up a bit more, i'd also like to point out that veteran sandman ness came into the forum spewing the exact same kind of misinformed, hypocritical, bigoted, bootlicking nonsense about personal responsibility in these threads about minorities getting capped by police- it's a repeating ****show that never seems to deviate from the script of victim blaming. it's ****ing tiresome to read, let alone to respond in earnest to.

whoever made the comment about wanting to see prolific's reaction after somebody walked up to him and his fellow veterans or families of deceased soldiers and throwing the same "WELL YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A DANGEROUS SITUATION, THEMS THE BREAKS" type of nonsense at them was spot ****ing on
05-25-2015 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol irony

seattlelou you can barely even communicate a rational or lucid thought about anything, just remember to take ur olds meds ok?

prolific's attitude/world view isn't unique. it's shared by pretty much every single infantry marine and grunt army guy that i've ever known, and i've known plenty. being a bigoted rageoholic with a god complex is pretty standard

and yea, we lost those wars because everybody calling the shots were ****ing idiots. you're not gonna make some stupid snarky comment and have me retract my +1
It is not uncommon for people to make judgements about a large diverse group of people based on statistically insignificant sample sizes. It is never wise. I was an elitist **** once too it fades with age.

Last edited by seattlelou; 05-25-2015 at 12:18 PM.
05-25-2015 , 12:20 PM
lol i'm not saying every veteran has the same political beliefs, lou, i said that this first-level bootlicker mentality is quite common (i believe i used the term "standard"). drawing the inference that stupidity is what caused us to go into iraq and afghanistan and leave them in the shape that we did is pretty valid. the stupidity is actually pretty well documented.
05-25-2015 , 12:28 PM
also clearly his comment about "why we lost the two wars" or whatever was a bit of tongue-in-cheek. doesn't mean there isn't a certain element of validity to it tho.
05-25-2015 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol i'm not saying every veteran has the same political beliefs, lou, i said that this first-level bootlicker mentality is quite common (i believe i used the term "standard"). drawing the inference that stupidity is what caused us to go into iraq and afghanistan and leave them in the shape that we did is pretty valid. the stupidity is actually pretty well documented.

Sorry I misunderstood you.
05-25-2015 , 12:33 PM
i may have phrased it in a way that lends itself to ambiguity, so i apologize as well
05-25-2015 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
seattlelou you can barely even communicate a rational or lucid thought about anything, just remember to take ur olds meds ok?
I just wanted to point out the fact that when I say you guys really all do act the same, I mean it.

You sound exactly like goofyballer. You people crack me up.

      
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