Here we go again... (unarmed black teen shot by cop): Shootings in LA and MN - Page 338 - Politics and Economics

Last week, the beginning of an explosive corruption trial involving eight members of Baltimore's elite Gun Trace Task Force revealed that a handful of Baltimore cops allegedly kept fake guns in their patrol cars to plant on innocent people—a failsafe they could use if they happened to shoot an unarmed suspect, the Baltimore Sun reports.

Detective Maurice Ward, who's already pleaded guilty to corruption charges, testified that he and his partners were told to carry the replicas and BB guns "in case we accidentally hit somebody or got into a shootout, so we could plant them." The directive allegedly came from the team's sergeant, Wayne Jenkins, the Washington Post reports. Though Ward didn't say whether or not the tactic was ever used, Detective Marcus Taylor—another cop swept up in the scandal—was carrying a fake gun almost identical to his service weapon when he was arrested last year, according to the Sun.

02-01-2018 , 03:07 AM

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Baltimore Cops Carried Toy Guns to Plant on People They Shot, Trial Reveals

At this point literally NOTHING that comes out about Baltimore cops will surprise me. I truly feel horrible for whatever % of them are actually good people doing the right thing, but if you exclude the ones who stand by and watch this **** going on without speaking out, that number has to be pretty damn low.

02-01-2018 , 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cuserounder

There's no way most big city departments are that much different. Even if they are at this moment, they are a quick internal culture change away from it without vigilance and oversight. The system and culture at large produce this kind of thing and that's why it occurs over and over.

02-01-2018 , 01:43 PM

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And a shooting in a Los Angeles middle school.

http://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/01/us...ing/index.html

2 students wounded, condition unknown

02-14-2018 , 04:57 PM

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Not sure what thread was best for this but the last post is related so thought I'd post it here.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/963875229385846784

Shooter is now in custody, 20-50 injured, 1+ dead

1st 45 days in 2018

19 school shootings
29 mass shootings

02-14-2018 , 07:01 PM

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Mass shootings belong in Cold Dead Hands. This is about cops shooting people.

02-14-2018 , 08:42 PM

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Too many shootings to keep track of. #First world problems

02-15-2018 , 12:20 AM

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Mass shootings belong in Cold Dead Hands. This is about cops shooting people.

This is probably the most depressing thing I've read on this board-" This is the wrong people getting gunned down thread"

02-15-2018 , 01:03 AM

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This is probably the most depressing thing I've read on this board-" This is the wrong people getting gunned down thread"

**** me, man. I created this thread like three years ago, didn't figure it would become a permanent fixture. JFC.

02-15-2018 , 03:03 AM

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This is probably the most depressing thing I've read on this board-" This is the wrong people getting gunned down thread"

USA#1

03-20-2018 , 02:12 PM

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Minnesota not having a good run. Today the cops managed to shoot and kill a 40 year old Australian woman in Minneapolis.

Bonus style points: She was the one who had placed the 911 call, reporting some kind of altercation going on in a nearby alley.

I post this partly for the Minnesota connection and partly to note that even if black people did not exist, these police shootings would continue to be a problem. Police are more likely to initiate interactions with black people and more likely to be on edge while doing so, but it just aggravates an existing problem, which is that police training and discipline appears to be terrible. I mean this woman was about the least threatening looking person possible, she looks like a soccer mom and was a former vet now working as a meditation teacher, and showed up in her pajamas. I can't fathom how she ended up on the wrong end of a bullet. I'd love to say we'll find out, but all the body cams and squad car cams were somehow very unluckily switched off. Does this even go to trial? I mean you'd think not, but we do have a dead attractive blonde woman, that tends to raise the DEFCON level another notch.

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Update on the Justine Damond shooting, looks like the cop is getting chucked under the bus:

As predicted, you can't shoot white women.

Update: Mohamed Noor charged with third-degree murder, second-degree manslaughter in shooting of Justine Damond

You can't shoot white women. (especially if you're black)

03-22-2018 , 08:23 PM

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/us/sa...ing/index.html

20 shots fired against black man (killing him) in his grandmother's backyard holding a cell phone

03-26-2018 , 04:55 PM

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Police said the man they shot had a gun.... he didn't. Then they said he had a tool bar that he swung out in front of himself as he advanced on them.... he didn't. He had his cell phone in his hand.

http://amp.sacbee.com/news/local/cri...mpression=true

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/us/sa...ing/index.html

20 shots fired against black man (killing him) in his grandmother's backyard holding a cell phone

There were big protests about this last week:

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On Thursday, hundreds of protesters gathered at City Hall and spilled into the streets of downtown Sacramento, shutting down Interstate 5 in both directions during the evening rush. Then they blockaded the Golden 1 Center, where the N.B.A.’s Sacramento Kings were scheduled to play the Atlanta Hawks at 7 p.m.

The police blocked the arena, preventing most fans from entering. The game was played after a delay, but video and photos posted on Twitter, including by Jason Jones, a Sacramento Bee reporter, showed many of the stands empty.

03-26-2018 , 08:38 PM

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Celtics played Sacramento yesterday and I noticed the stands were mostly empty, so not sure that anecdote means anything.

03-26-2018 , 08:42 PM

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NBA recap for Thursday

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An estimated crowd of fewer than 2,000 made it into the 17,600-seat Golden1 Center before police decided to not allow anyone else to enter. Several of those who did get in were allowed to move down into the lower bowl of the arena, leaving the upper deck empty.

03-26-2018 , 09:06 PM

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Well there were more than 2000 yesterday, but it was half empty or less even though attendance was reported as 100% on ESPN.

Interestingly, attendance for the Thursday game is also reported at 100% so apparently it just goes by ticket sales and not people in the arena.

03-27-2018 , 04:20 PM

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No charges for Baton Rouge police officers that shot and killed Alton Sterling

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Sterling was killed in July 2016 by officers responding to a call about a man who had threatened someone with a gun. The Baton Rouge officers then encountered Sterling, 37, selling CDs outside of a convenience store, and fatally shot him during an encounter that lasted less than 90 seconds.

03-27-2018 , 05:47 PM

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No charges for Baton Rouge police officers that shot and killed Alton Sterling

As Chris Rock said, they got this one on tape (he was referring to Eric Garland). I mean we saw the whole encounter and still no charges, smh

04-05-2018 , 12:41 AM

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After Stephon Clark shooting in Sacramento, California lawmakers introduce a bill to raise the standard from "reasonable force" to "necessary force"

From reading elsewhere (this article doesn't explain it well) the relevant line in the current law is...

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Any peace officer who has reasonable cause to believe that the person to be arrested has committed a public offense may use reasonable force to effect the arrest, to prevent escape or to overcome resistance.

I guess that's where "reasonable" would become "necessary".

04-05-2018 , 07:02 AM

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Again...this time it was a mentally ill, homeless black man in Brooklyn:

http://pix11.com/2018/04/04/at-least...g-in-brooklyn/

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Three 911 calls just before 5 p.m. from people at the scene reported a man in a brown jacket pointing a silver firearm at people, NYPD Chief of Department Terence Monahan said. When officers found him, he turned toward the police.

"The suspect then took a two-handed shooting stance and pointed an object at the approaching officers, two of whom were in uniform," Monahan said.

Four officers fired at him 10 times.

They went over to render aid and discovered the man was not holding a gun. It had been a pipe with some sort of knob on the end.

04-05-2018 , 12:12 PM

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Again...this time it was a mentally ill, homeless black man in Brooklyn:

http://pix11.com/2018/04/04/at-least...g-in-brooklyn/

That's a tough one. It's a pretty high bar to ask someone to wait until they're fired at to insure that someone in a shooters stance holding a metal object is just some nut with a pipe/toy pistol/whatever, given the number of guns floating around in the world. It's not great, but compared to some of the outright executions recently.....

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04-05-2018 , 03:31 PM

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Well this once again begs the question as to how we reconcile living in a highly armed and then using this as justification for allowing police to basically open fire at will since they assume everyone is armed.

04-05-2018 , 07:43 PM

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Unlike all the other cases this guy was clearly pretending to be armed.

04-06-2018 , 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggymike

I don't disagree.

But I'd shade it a little in that saying it's a "justification" - in a lot of places you'd be a brain dead idiot to assume someone wasn't armed.

Probably more accurate to say that this was unfortunate but understandable given how things are... or another way to look at it is that I'm pretty sure that someone acting like this is getting shot, whether black, brown, white or albino. Doesn't make him less dead, but it's hard to see this turning out any other way than it did....

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