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I can't see this case ever going to trial, unless Slager is going to attempt some type of diminished capacity defense, which would also be ludicrous given his calm and rational behavior in the dash cam footage.

Consequently, I can't see this case ever going to trial.

Addendum: After further researching SC law, it looks like Slager could try to go for voluntary manslaughter, if he could successfully argue that he was only shooting Scott to keep him from fleeing. The sentence for Voluntary Manslaughter in SC can range from 2 years to 30 years.

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04-10-2015 , 04:12 PM

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hartmann is ****ing brilliant.

04-10-2015 , 04:15 PM

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I actually don't think that manslaughter would be an unreasonable outcome. But the fact that the cop immediately planted evidence on the body and lied about what he did makes me root hard for murder one

04-10-2015 , 04:32 PM

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no premeditation though. it's murder 2, right? clear case?

04-10-2015 , 04:36 PM

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Could planting evidence in the body bump it up to murder one? I have no idea but it seems like it could be plausible

04-10-2015 , 04:40 PM

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don't think so. but certainly additional charges. then do the thing where you serve all the murder time, then the other charges after that, thus keeping him locked up longer.

04-10-2015 , 04:42 PM

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Does it bother any1 that Scott FAILED to produce proof of insurance or a car registration [along w/ a routine ghetto story about "I don't got it"] and then hauls ass outta the car? Never mind the goddamn child support charge, we got us a SUSPECTED CAR THIEF.
[Woulda been more prudent to call it in to dispatch than stalk the guy and confront him.
But, iyam, this chucks murder1 out the window.]

If nothing else, this thread has given rise to some top level trolling

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Could planting evidence in the body bump it up to murder one? I have no idea but it seems like it could be plausible

The planting evidence stuff is going to be hard to prove because he shoots him, moves the taser over to where Scott's body is laying, then picks it up again a few seconds later (2:00 in ), so it's going to be hard to argue that he was planting anything (even if that is what he was doing).

04-10-2015 , 05:29 PM

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no premeditation though. it's murder 2, right? clear case?

Premeditation doesn't need to be so clear cut. There's potential for first degree murder here.

04-10-2015 , 05:42 PM

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you sound more sure than me. i'll take you at your word.

04-10-2015 , 06:19 PM

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you sound more sure than me. i'll take you at your word.

I'm not a criminal attorney, but I took the bar recently enough. Premeditation can occur in a split second, it's not necessary that there be a plan hatched in advance of the incident itself. If the cop sees the dude running and thinks "I'm going to shoot this guy" before doing it, that's probably enough.

04-10-2015 , 06:24 PM

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If he did plant the taser would that be relevant to the 1st/2nd/manslaughter question as well?

04-10-2015 , 06:24 PM

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If he goes for involuntary manslaughter, then he can’t claim the shooting was legally justified.

A police officer may use deadly force only when:

• He/she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to protect himself/herself or others from the imminent danger of serious physical injury or death.

OR

• To prevent the escape of a fleeing felon who the police officer has probable cause to believe is attempting to escape by means of a deadly weapon or who, by conduct or other means, indicates that he presents an imminent threat of serious physical injury or death to others unless apprehended without delay.

04-10-2015 , 06:42 PM

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I've seen two video perspectives of this incident, and am struggling to see why on Earth the cop felt the need to shoot this man. I doubt any lawyer is going to let this guy plead not guilty to a murder charge.

04-10-2015 , 06:52 PM

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I honestly think he was just pissed the guy refused to listen to his commands and shot him in anger.

04-10-2015 , 06:59 PM

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I honestly think he was just pissed the guy refused to listen to his commands and shot him in anger.

Yuuuup

04-10-2015 , 07:12 PM

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exactly. no different than brown. cops are capable of blind rage too.

04-10-2015 , 07:16 PM

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I honestly think he was just pissed the guy refused to listen to his commands and shot him in anger.

Assuming that is true the relevant question is this:

If all else was equal except he was white, what in your opinion is the probability he would still shoot? I'll go first. 20%

04-10-2015 , 07:25 PM

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Can he claim temporary insanity even if it's only for 2 seconds?

04-10-2015 , 07:27 PM

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Can he claim temporary insanity even if it's only for 2 seconds?

Yes, but it's not an easy defense to pull off

04-10-2015 , 07:31 PM

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FYI we do not have degrees of murder in SC.

04-10-2015 , 07:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Assuming that is true the relevant question is this:

If all else was equal except he was white, what in your opinion is the probability he would still shoot? I'll go first. 20%

<5%

04-10-2015 , 07:36 PM

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He should have done what normal police do in America. Seize the car and sell it at an auction where the money goes right back into their own pockets.

He will probably have to go under an equivalent witness protection program in jail. Or spend his life in isolation. No way can he be in genpop.

04-10-2015 , 07:38 PM

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Kind of a pointless question since it's impossible to know, but yeah, I got about 5%.

04-10-2015 , 07:40 PM

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Anyone know if lying in a police report is a crime btw, or just professional misconduct (i.e. it will get you fired, but not prosecuted)?

Seems like it should be a crime along the lines of perjury, but idk.