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Javi,

You make "Cop fired gun" sound so casual.

What you really mean is Cop fired gun 8x before suspect fell and died. Not just 3 or 4 feet away. Not even 5 or 10 feet away. But this far away.

It is a legit 50 feet away.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I already said it was roughly 50 ft away. What I see is the time it took to draw his weapon, and an area ripe with obstacles/cover should the victim suddenly decide to stop running and engage the police. I already linked to one video of a cop shooting where precisely this happened. Criminal was told to stop, and instead fled the scene, then stopped fleeing and decided it was time to start shooting.

04-08-2015 , 01:52 AM

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We don't know that the cop fired the taser.

We do because one of the probes is seen hanging from the victims clothing.

04-08-2015 , 01:53 AM

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I would take the cops side in the right bet. How many javis do I need on the jury for an acquittal?

Betting on American cops (real or self appointed rent a cops) getting away with shooting an unarmed black civilian seems like a money printing opportunity right now.

04-08-2015 , 01:53 AM

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My ******ed premise? What premise have I even made? All I have said is that the taser isnt a plant. The premise here is that it is, of which nobody has offered any kind of explanation for whatsoever. They just saw the cop move it and pull a scripted response from their archive of hollywood storytelling and say "PLANT! PLANT! PLANT!"

Right. As opposed to the cop being scared the guy was going to turn James Bond as he's running away, turn 180 degrees, pull out the golden gun and shoot him between the eyes as he fell backwards on the grass.

Bro, just stop.

04-08-2015 , 01:56 AM

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We do because one of the probes is seen hanging from the victims clothing.

and wtf is your point? i never accepted 'the plant' thing anyway. outside of all that, this is obvious murder.

even if the guy punched the cop in the face and ran away. even if he kicked him in the nuts, spit in his face, called him a honky, and said he'd rape his daughter, then ran away.

it's still murder.

hey racist cop apologist, why is the guys own lawyer running away from him?

it sounds like he could use you on his defense team.

04-08-2015 , 01:56 AM

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javi is one of two things. a racist cop-blower, or a complete ****ing dumb-ass.

I understand and sympathize with your need to insult me and not the argument. It's hard for some people to remain objective right now so I'll give all personal attacks a free pass.

04-08-2015 , 01:57 AM

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What the **** does some guy in a youtube video have to do with this?

You are offering new evidence that doesn't exist to support your argument.

04-08-2015 , 01:58 AM

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i'm laying 3/1 on any amount. your 3k gets you gets you 9k.

my only concern about losing would be from a sweetheart deal.

no ****ing way you can get 9 javi's in one jury (or how many ever people are on a jury).

04-08-2015 , 01:59 AM

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See, this is the scary thing. You just need one Javi in SC to be on the jury and the cop walks free.

04-08-2015 , 01:59 AM

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Look. If this guy is acquitted , it will not be pretty right after this , in fact , I can sense this is what will set things off

04-08-2015 , 01:59 AM

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and wtf is your point? i never accepted 'the plant' thing anyway. outside of all that, this is obvious murder.

If he wanted to murder him he would have used his firearm first and not the taser.

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hey racist cop apologist, why is the guys own lawyer running away from him?

Because he knows he's going to lose, and it seems like in hindsight the cop realizes he ****ed up and falsified his report and this particular lawyer no longer wanted to help him. Obviously he's going to get some lawyer who will stick with him, so what then?

04-08-2015 , 02:00 AM

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Ok everybody, I want to hear what your reasoning is behind planting his own taser.

He radioed to dispatch that the dude had taken his taser. If his taser is 40 yds from where the guy is dead, that story isn't gonna make much sense.

04-08-2015 , 02:01 AM

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What the **** does some guy in a youtube video have to do with this?

You are offering new evidence that doesn't exist to support your argument.

It shows that cops have a legitimate reason to fear for their life even when someone is running away. The entire premise of the murder angle here is that "the cop should not have been in fear for his life" because you are assuming that some guy running away cant suddenly shoot back. I just proved this false, and gave reason to why the cop in fact could be in fear for his life under this scenario.

04-08-2015 , 02:02 AM

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Look. If this guy is acquitted , it will not be pretty right after this , in fact , I can sense this is what will set things off

I don't know man, it's South Carolina. I think people will just be like "LOL South Carolina." like they are "LOL Florida." Racist stuff happening in racist states doesn't surprise anyone. It needs to happen in a state where this would be a complete shock.

04-08-2015 , 02:03 AM

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Sorry but this is bull****. You just want to justify the cop shooting him.

04-08-2015 , 02:05 AM

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See, this is the scary thing. You just need one Javi in SC to be on the jury and the cop walks free.

Our justice system is designed to be impartial. It sounds like you wouldnt even give him a trial. I mean you have already proven he is guilty right?

04-08-2015 , 02:05 AM

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Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

They can't kill someone fleeing unless he poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Clearly that guy wasn't a significant threat.

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04-08-2015 , 02:05 AM

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So you admit the cop committed murder and lied about it. Yet you decide to play devil's advocate. GTFO.

04-08-2015 , 02:07 AM

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They can't kill someone fleeing unless he poses a significant threat and clearly that guy wasn't a significant threat.

Well, to be fair, Javi probably thinks the suspect being black is probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

04-08-2015 , 02:10 AM

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Our justice system is designed to be impartial. It sounds like you wouldnt even give him a trial. I mean you have already proven he is guilty right?

Proven? No, I haven't proven anything. I'm not a lawyer.

I did however see the videotape of this ****bag cop killing an unarmed black man running away from him. So if I were on the jury and saw this videotape, then yes, I'd find him guilty.

If it makes you feel better, I'd make sure the videotape was not altered and is what really happened. But LOL @ you for not thinking this is murder.

04-08-2015 , 02:12 AM

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He radioed to dispatch that the dude had taken his taser. If his taser is 40 yds from where the guy is dead, that story isn't gonna make much sense.

But what about the afid tags being 40 yards from where he is dead? The cop's defense is that the victim was hit with a taser, then took the taser and ran? The victim being next to a taser serves no forensic advantage to the crime scene. Given the hastiness of the execution I dont even think the cop would really feel the need to plant evidence, he clearly felt pretty justified in the shooting at the time and did so with backup as a witness. Unless these cops have a history together him planting evidence in front of fellow law enforcement is a pretty bold move.

04-08-2015 , 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by javi

luckily for us, "could be", isn't justification.

you are so far out of line here. over-estimate your intelligence much?

what makes you think you could take this position w/o being verbally bitch-slapped?

04-08-2015 , 02:14 AM

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****-off guy. enough already. you can't shoot someone in the back on "maybe's"

04-08-2015 , 02:15 AM

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Did you watch the whole video? The 2nd cop isnt there when he moves the taser. He shows up about a minute after the guy is shot. The video and dispatch audio confirm this.

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