Does your mom hate democrats as much as you hate republicans?

X-posting because i should have posted here in the first place, and anything to distract from this current AIDS discussion...

Any $ for the wall is a losing scenario...
Option 1: Partially fund the wall (5b, 1.5b, tree-fiddy) and then eventually spend countless billions to finish and maintain a racist horrible wall.
Option 2: Partially fund and then not give any more $ to finish the wall, which is red meat to every deplorable:
FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED!
BACKSTABBING OBSRUCTIONIST DEMS!
GOV'T WASTE BECAUSE OF THE DEMS!

This will go on for however long it takes to not actually build a wall. Democrats need to re-frame this whole thing completely away from any inkling of a wall and make it about reform to get workers, families, asylum seekers and commerce across the border safely.

They can only do that with ZERO DOLLARS for the wall.

The main obstacle after funding is the fact that much of it would need to built on private property. For the government to build wall sections on private property wold require exercising eminent domain and that is not going to happen over night. Its going to get tied up in courts for a long time.

If Trump gets his funding for this wall, Its unlikely he will live long enough to see it completed. Long term projects have a propensity to get canceled especially when its something that doesn't jive with the next administration's taste. Everyone on the hill knows all of this which makes this whole shutdown over the wall silly.

When did calling "in" sick become calling "out" sick?

There are already walls built in places where it is cost effective and makes sense to build them. Do you give any thought to your posts before posting them?

So you're admitting here that the average GOP voter is so intellectually and morally bankrupt that the only thing that matters to them is what Daddy wants?

You're absolutely right, of course; I'm just kinda surprised you said it out loud.

If that's true then I have to assume those workers aren't aware. Someone has to fill them in so they can quit asap.

The way I'm reading Ayanna's tweet is that the workers are contractors who would normally have work, but don't right now because of the shutdown. They will not be paid, unlike federal workers, who traditionally have received back pay after previous shutdowns.

Also I'm assuming the cost for those type of contractors will skyrocket once this is over. Who wants their paycheck to be dependent on the whims of this government right now?

^^

also option 3: republicans/trump hold govt hostage in the same way the next time they want to make some unreasonable and stupid demand

I honestly think that Trump would be thrilled if an illegal immigrant shot up a schoolyard this afternoon. He's that depraved.

2018 Reg Date Guy whose posts are all in politards is disingenuous and should be ignored, you say?

What did she say when you told her that he'll get his wall when Mexico pays for it like he promised?

Why do you think the only boarder security possible is through a wall? What studies have been done to show that?

Google "walk out"

Property damage isn't violence. Stop making a false equivalence.

This is what they should keep hammering him on. If he's going to run the government like a business he needs a business plan to get funding.

I know better than to engage my mother when it comes to politics.

Some people are a lost cause.

The Democrats passed a bill to reopen government in the one place they have control. This same bill was already passed in the Senate once. Seeing as the GOP literally controls the two branches of government that haven't said yes to reopening the government yet it's pretty hard to see how the Democrats could be to blame.

That's just where things are geographically dude. The GOP has shut down government. Why they shut down government is they want the Dems to give them the wall in exchange for nothing.

If you want to argue the pro GOP line you pretty much have to go full 'politics is war and we aim to win'. You have to say 'yeah hostage taking is a perfectly acceptable political strategy'. You have to say 'we want the federal workforce to shrink, so hopefully this will help with that'. These are all positions you could actually hold and be intellectually honest. They only sound crazy if you think Authoritarianism is crazy.

Seems quite possible he is going to say he's going to build the wall anyways (using whatever non-legal/ethical grounds as his basis) during this speech tomorrow night and claim a win. Then a deal will get reached pretty quickly because the wall won't need to be part of it anymore politically. Whether anything actually happens with the wall after that won't matter to his supporters because he will just claim he won and they'll follow his lead.

Did I miss the part where the Fat Wolf said he didn't even vote for Trump, or am I not too late?

Russians can't vote in American elections ldo.

It's a mortal lock the next one will be over abortion. The narrative will be about keeping the government closed until Dems agree not to kill babies any longer.

Your utterance is stupid. We are talking about smashing windows. An act designed to intimidate and strike fear. Just because no one happens to be physically harmed doesn't mean it isn't violence. What if someone is harmed, by say some flying glass, does the act become violence just because of some random fate twist? What if someone is mentally harmed? Is it violence? If a pro-life group bulldozes and abortion mill when nobody is in it, is that a non violent protest?

Your claim that property damage by smashing windows is not only stupid it is despicable. Its despicable because you are defending a hater advocating violence. It is despicable because its likely there are people here who are so stupid and filled with hate(hate that is cultivated here mind you), that they may actually believe they can go around smashing windows as a non violent form of protest.

All sides share blame in the shut down. I can make arguments where all the premises are true, where the conclusion logically follows from those premises, and where the democrats are blamed. Or the republicans. Or President Trump. I can do this because all three parties share responsibility.