When it's something I want it's a tax. When something I don't want it's libruls stealin muh money

yeah, its ****ing free

How about instead of taking like 3 anecdotal stories from " canadians " you actually look up statistics?

The wait times are longer, but the quality of care is comparable or better in most cases. Also the huge boost in preventative care makes the country healthier in general.

cite on claim that quality of doctors in canada is sub-par, please

otherwise, eat a ban imo

But you just perfectly described the threat. I'm not saying single payer is something to be scared of; I think it would be a terrific outcome. I'm saying the argument goes that R lawmakers had done literally nothing, basically squandered their window and then Bernie et al came and started making the case for single payer and the repubs who otherwise weren't inclined to support this really really really bad bill suddenly said, '**** we better do something.'

Except you're forgetting the part after the health system collapses where Obama and Obamacare take the blame.

Pretty much the same, although we catch a few migrants who cross the border to make more money - one of our local plastics guys is a French canadian - nice guy.

In all honesty in terms of quality I'd guess there's minimal if any difference - the only POSSIBLE exception might be if you selected out the FMG cohort in the US - some of them have problems, but I strongly suspect those are related to cultural/language issues, more than anything else.

MM MD

As someone who is directly affected by this, I am very thankful that he didn't wait a week to announce it. I've been very stressed/concerned, deeply troubled one might say, and I can rest a little easier now... I'm still worried someone will flip back, but at least I'm resting on 51 against for the moment.

This makes zero sense to me. The single payer bill is proposed with a Republican Congress and Presidency. There's no threat to Republicans of it passing before 2020, which would only occur if everything is flipped for Democrats (and even then the bluedogs will be against it). It's like the House repealing obamacare 67 times with Obama as president -- the work is being done for other reasons than an actual threat of becoming law.

The talking point that somehow Bernie caused the Repubs to take this back up seems to be exclusively from the neoliberal part of the party that does not want single payer because their pharma corporate overlords would be upset (or just want to **** on Bernie in general because of Hilarysalt.).

Seems clear this latest bill was taken up due to an upcoming deadline, plus possibly them seeing a window where the public/media wouldn't care as much.

Dems need Jimmy Kimmel and town halls to stop this ****. What a ****show of a political party.

Procedures take the same amount of time to perform, friendly GOP talking point totally real person.

They're about the same qualitatively.

Hope this helps.

But you have to wait a bit longer because all the poors are getting in the way instead of dying in the streets like they should.

Yeah, I feel like I'm getting tricked into carrying water for something I don't really believe. All I meant was that there was an argument (or, as you put it better, a talking point), that a crap Repub bill suddenly was gaining steam and that one part of the momentum it was building was Repubs and their constituents feeling threatened by Bernie et al swinging their dicks around Single Payer. Not that they thought they were gonna get Jedi Mind Tricked into passing SP, but rather that a popular idea with some key, confident Dem supporters suddenly caused a bunch of them to get behind a last gasp zombie Repeal of ObamaCare.

Anyway, the better explanation is that the random Donnie/Chuck/Nancy debt ceiling deal cleared the decks for health care talk and the Graham bill was the only thing they had left and the same craven *******s who voted for all the other bull**** iterations barely needed their arm twisted to get in line for this one. Hopefully the always wrong media is right this time that McCain has sunk it. We'll see.

McCain did GOP a favor by not dragging this out.

And what McCain said is absolutely right.

Sadly I am sure GOP will necro this, over McCain’s corpse if need be, just in time to turn 2018 mid term away from GOP’s biggest problem, Donald Trump.

Right. Any single payer bill/debate now isn't about getting people better healthcare but about individual politicians jockeying for power.

Man, look at how abstract the centrist single payer opponents points are getting.

It's about introducing it to the American people, showing them a bill that can work. Getting the discussion going. Gaining support for it. Making it a point in 2018.

But thats not what they are doing/gonna do. These are fake bills that don't contain the substance that a real single payer bill will need to have. Its just a left wing version of the fake Obamacare repeal bills that people voted for only because they knew it would not become law. Suddenly, when it becomes real you won't be able to pass it because you were just trolling and not actually working on healthcare before.

This healthcare reform would effectively make it impossible for me as a person with a preexisting condition to obtain reasonably priced insurance should I choose to return to my home country.

It's surprising that it's not getting the news coverage it did last time around.

Does anyone have more friends than Malauga?

40 friends here 40 friends there.

This centrist thinks this is fine.

Talking point alert.

Man fly was like five years ahead on everything wasn't he. Max, you aren't on our team.

This talk of trying to bring Rand on board is a bit unsettling since his buyout would be something like the opposite of the Murkowski bribe.

Link? I haven't heard it. Rand Paul appears to be a firm no.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...esponse-243015

They could make big changes to the bill in order to win his vote, I suppose, but (1) they only have one week, (2) the resulting bill would likely be so draconian as to drive a few others away, especially Murkowski who they 100% need now.

Its my team. And yes, we consider you embarrassing allies at best.