The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court - Page 933 - Politics and Economics

I guess I have to make myself clearer. I was merely saying that if there exists a plan that 50 or more Republicans and Democrats agree is good enough to vote for, except that Democrats insist that it be called an ACA fix rather than a new name, Obama should put out a statement that they need not feel obligated to do that (partially for him) but should instead give in on the name. That might swing several Democratic votes.

Lol. I'm not even convinced this is a good idea if all of your ridiculous premises are true.

The only health care legislation that Democrats should support is legislation that the vast majority of them can get behind and vote for. Legislation that is a clear Democrat win that just uses a minority of 'moderate' Republicans to get over the finish line.

I'm sure the great strategist that you are can see the medium-long game here isn't for the Democrats to reward Republican obstructionism and extremism by being the only party to 'compromise'.

07-24-2017 , 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Right, it should always be on Obama to be the bigger person.

It certainly shouldn't fall on the people who did everything to undermine him for eight years and the guy who said he was a secret Kenyan Muslim to do that. Perish the thought.

07-24-2017 , 10:14 AM

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Remember, always remember, DS spewing advice for bizarre hypotheticals entirely divorced from present reality is NOT an example of him being the math-PhD level free thinker he thinks he is, it's an example of him being incapable of presenting a rational argument about the situation as it is.

07-24-2017 , 10:45 AM

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But that's what gets me here. Even if we took his description of the situation as is as real -> his approach just seems like really obviously bad strategy.

07-24-2017 , 03:48 PM

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Senators are voting on a motion to proceed in less than 24 hours. If it goes through there is a good chance the bill passes.

07-24-2017 , 04:11 PM

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Does anyone have a clue what the bill is?

07-24-2017 , 04:24 PM

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Not sure if it's the AHCA, the BCRA, the repeal and replace or just repeal. I've lost track.

07-24-2017 , 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Please, I'm begging you, read a newspaper

07-24-2017 , 05:29 PM

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Not sure if it's the AHCA, the BCRA, the repeal and replace or just repeal. I've lost track.

I think it would have to be none of those, because the Parliamentarian ruled all of those would be subject to filibuster, unless McConnell is indeed going nuclear, which he might be.

07-24-2017 , 05:37 PM

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Pure repeal is fine. And they can just change the existing bills to lose the 6 month penalty and the Planned Parenthood ****.

07-24-2017 , 05:40 PM

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Pure repeal is fine. And they can just change the existing bills to lose the 6 month penalty and the Planned Parenthood ****.

Well, the 6 month penalty is a pretty damn important change if you care about the actual governance and function of the bill (they don't). And the PP **** is extremely important to the House Freedom Caucus. Those would be pretty huge changes.

07-24-2017 , 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

except that Democrats insist that it be called an ACA fix rather than a new name

Finally someone with plans to deal with the real holdup to all this mess: the bill's name.

07-24-2017 , 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by otatop

Finally someone with plans to deal with the real holdup to all this mess: the bill's name.

Not the bill's name (ACA), but rather what the public and media call it, which can't be altered by congress

07-24-2017 , 07:51 PM

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07-24-2017 , 08:30 PM

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I'm glad David figured out how to fix healthcare. This thread has been active for a long time but it took this revelation to find the answer.

I'm not going to lie, I was blind to the reality that the democrats refused to work on partisan healthcare because they were attached to the name. Now it is all clear to me.

07-24-2017 , 09:12 PM

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McCain is coming in for a vote which means McConnell probably has the votes

07-24-2017 , 09:22 PM

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Lol....Trump would veto the hell out of that.

07-24-2017 , 09:36 PM

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How is this real

David, you have massive misunderstandings as to what drives modern politicians and why.

07-24-2017 , 09:38 PM

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Anyway, yeah, McCain is hauling his tumor ridden brain to Washington, which means repeal is a big favorite. Hopefully he will die.

07-24-2017 , 09:50 PM

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I think it would have to be none of those, because the Parliamentarian ruled all of those would be subject to filibuster, unless McConnell is indeed going nuclear, which he might be.

if i have this correct, they can approve BCRA for debate, then amendment it into something that gets parliamentarian approval. They don't have to fix it tonight.

07-24-2017 , 10:48 PM

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JFC. I can't believe this is still happening.

07-24-2017 , 11:53 PM

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07-24-2017 , 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by uke_master

if i have this correct, they can approve BCRA for debate, then amendment it into something that gets parliamentarian approval. They don't have to fix it tonight.

Well, OK, but whatever they come up with via amendment is only going to be even more lol/terrible/unpopular/unpalatable-for-Congresscritters than what they have now.

07-25-2017 , 12:01 AM

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I don't know but my naive interpretation is that the parliamentarian ruling against the 6 month month ban means most mechanisms to force people to buy insurance won't be allowed and the Obamacare penalty is the only thing they'll be able to work with, which isn't popular with the base at all. Which means they won't have a mechanism to force the healthy into the pool at all. I'm probably wrong though.

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