The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court - Page 908 - Politics and Economics

Republicans have learned they can lie even more than they have historically. They can say anything. They're all over tv today saying a bill that kicks 20 million people off insurance covers more people. It literally doesn't matter: they don't need a coherent story.

It's just a jumble of non sense "common sense" phrases unconnected to any policy. Pence's "personal responsibility in health care" phrasing as an example.

06-26-2017 , 04:27 PM

#22677

OmgGlutten!

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I know the gospel and the cbo is not the gospel

06-26-2017 , 04:29 PM

#22678

DudeImBetter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Just to elaborate. Not only was I on that site less than ten seconds without even looking up to see where I was, I should also make it clear that I had never before been on that site in my life.

Always best to substantiate your views on complex issues by visiting websites that are unknown to you and snap-sharing their content.

06-26-2017 , 04:48 PM

#22679

otatop

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It's only logical.

06-26-2017 , 05:07 PM

#22680

OmgGlutten!

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Sklansky never heard of brietbart. Lestat never heard of Ben Shapiro.

06-26-2017 , 05:21 PM

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synth_floyd

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Who is actually in favor of the healthcare bill, besides rich people and Republicans who want to say the words "We repealed Obamacare"?

06-26-2017 , 05:30 PM

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hacksaw JD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Who is actually in favor of the healthcare bill, besides rich people and Republicans who want to say the words "We repealed Obamacare"?

lib-hating idiots who will be negatively impacted by its passing

06-26-2017 , 05:36 PM

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Riverman

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House bill had 17% support, so even half of the deplorables are against it. This legislation is the biggest middle finger to a party's voters possibly ever.

06-26-2017 , 06:06 PM

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Onlydo2days

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Seems like these CBO scores are generous if anything.

As costs continue to rise, more employers will stop offering plans and those people will be pushed onto the individual market where they won't be able to afford insurance as well.

If healthcare cost inflation continues to go up 7-8% a year for the next 10 years then this seems like a no brainer.

06-26-2017 , 06:50 PM

#22685

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

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Are they people who sincerely think that this bill will not pass?

06-26-2017 , 06:57 PM

#22686

Chips Ahoy

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How soon after the bill becomes law will it have killed more Americans than radical islamic terrorism has in total?

06-26-2017 , 06:58 PM

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Our House

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

Seems like these CBO scores are generous if anything.

Not to mention the changes they made to manipulate the CBO score.

06-26-2017 , 07:02 PM

#22688

Our House

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy

How soon after the bill becomes law will it have killed more Americans than radical islamic terrorism has in total?

I give it 3 months after the big cuts kick in. So 3 years, 8 months...which is, well looky here, right after the next Presidential smooth transition of power Inauguration.

06-26-2017 , 07:08 PM

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simplicitus

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Collins is a no.

"I want to work w/ my GOP & Dem colleagues to fix the flaws in ACA. CBO analysis shows Senate bill won't do it. I will vote no on mtp. 1/3"

https://twitter.com/SenatorCollins/s...71862694256641

06-26-2017 , 07:12 PM

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Riverman

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Rand, Heller and Collins is gg. It's good politics for GOP. Intentionally wreck Obamacare then run against it again in 2018 and 2020. They will just blame OBSTRUCTIONIST DEMOCRATS for not getting reform done.

06-26-2017 , 07:14 PM

#22691

SuperUberBob

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They say that now but they'll come around when push comes to shove.

06-26-2017 , 07:23 PM

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Namath12

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Rand is grandstanding per usual. He's always voting yes

Heller maybe not

No idea on the others

06-26-2017 , 07:25 PM

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simplicitus

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Collins and Heller seem very serious. Probably 3-5 others who are as well. Now sure about Rand.

06-26-2017 , 07:26 PM

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simplicitus

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I mean if Rand has such great ideas on healthcare he could write a bill.

06-26-2017 , 07:33 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Collins is as much a lock for "no" as it gets.

Very curious to see what Cruz does.

06-26-2017 , 08:00 PM

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champstark

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Collins/Heller are lock nos

Murkowski 50/50
Grifter Jr. is 25/75 no

rest are 99% to vote yes, don't believe their bull**** for a second

06-26-2017 , 08:00 PM

#22697

hacksaw JD

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Only way Rand votes against this is if it's already dead without his vote. Also, lol @ John McCain. Maverick my ass

06-26-2017 , 08:01 PM

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Klingbard

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i'd say i'm 90% sure nothing passes this week. Maybe more. I really don't think Rand is ever going to vote for this or anything less "mean."

06-26-2017 , 08:33 PM

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spidercrab

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I think Collins, Heller, Murkowski all vote no. Then, if that happens, you'll have several GOP senators who would love to publicly vote not, but probably aren't willing to if their vote actually counts. I put Portman on this list. Either going to be 50-50 with a Pence tie breaker or something like 45-55.