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So what's the status at CP now that the stories are up?

Mostly meh. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=307552

Yeah I'm sure all the old white imbeciles that voted Trump will change their mind over this

They're already on Medicare and as we've learned, if it doesn't **** them directly, they don't care

Also the line is absolutely going to be that all the things the Jew egghead lamestream media is saying about Trump Care is FAKE NEWS, it's actually great.

The idea, though, is that maybe some non-voters will get an idea of what exactly the stakes of politics are. Dems are surely not going to **** up something that simple, right? A bill that literally kills the poor to fund a tax cut on the rich?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jon-...pendent-voters


Nope we're ****ed

Exactly what I've noticed with the Trump supporters I know (they are all middle-aged or old so it's a biased sample). My mother was against gay marriage until my cousin came out as gay at which points her views magically changed.

That is the truth of that demographic of Republicans. They have no real convictions unless it directly impacts them or somebody dear in their family.

Senate Dems should focus on is making sure Medicare excludes preexisting conditions and they should be golden.

did some searching and found this, related to the original AHCA-

http://kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/...alth-care-act/

yep, they're gonna get ****ed too

god damn it

I can't stand these asshats. Really hope the whole GOP & POTUS all get busted for treason and sent to the same prison together for life.

lol, they're never cutting medicare, they'll just put the tax cuts on their platinum china centurion card like always

Some will be worse off than either of those things when they get the opportunity to live life suffering in pain and broke.

"If they change it and send it back to the House, they're going to have trouble passing it no matter how they change it."

Which is why it would be the smart play, no?

The Senate has always had a much higher feeling about its independence from whatever party is sitting in the White House (see McConnell's comments about the travel ban, Russian sanctions, etc.) so how willing he's going to be to let the House off the hook by passing this horse**** bill.......

MM MD

People talking about how this will die in the Senate...


I'm just going to say that relying on the fundamental decency and reasonableness of moderate Republicans is a strategy without the strongest track record.

how many times have you been told to stop making predictions

I'm genuinely scared that this has a what, 20% shot of passing the Senate? *Gulp*

That's just on capital gains and dividends and interest. Don't forget the other .9% tax cut they get on income.

Warren, at least, gets it:

Maybe 20% in its current form. But certainly way higher than that in some form. Anyone saying, "Of course this dies in the Senate," is wishcasting. These are the same people who said Hillary was 99% to win. The NYTimes lists four possible GOP defectors. Four. I asked before and never got an answer, but if they only need 50 votes, how hard can it be to win over two of those defectors? We just saw no's in the House flip to yes over 8 ****ing billion in subsidies, an amount so small that David Koch can pay it with the money in his pocket. I see no reason to believe Senate Republicans are made of stronger moral fiber.

I refuse to believe that any of these Republicans other than Trump is so ******ed that they think Obamacare is actually in a death spiral when every bipartisan analysis concludes the opposite. Graham is just mugging for the camera with that "collapse" ****.

Surprised Graham was alone to comment and not joined at the butt with John McCain.

I'm just catching up, but this made me laugh. Well played.

Untrue

I think you're wrong, and I have strong logical evidence. If they wanted to say it passed something, but let it die on its own, they would NOT use budget reconciliation. They would pass it in the House and allow Democrats to filibuster it in the Senate. They would then tell their constituents the obstructionist liberal extremists blocked it, and they need a supermajority in the Senate to get it done so you better go vote Team Red in 2018.

Here's why they want it to pass: they want to give the wealthy a huge tax cut, and to do it they have two options: nuke the filibuster or use reconciliation. If they want to use budget reconciliation then it has to be budget neutral. This is how they make it budget neutral. This allows them to lump Medicare and Medicaid cuts under the Obamacare repeal, making it more politically tenable... and cut those along with Obamacare. Then they give all that money to the wealthy, and that's a hill they're willing to die on in 2018/20.