keep shitting on CBO, repubs, you even own that



https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/st...29466803011584

Wow I expected them to try and discredit the CBO but I didn't really expect some of them to admit they are totally fine with throwing 24 million people off insurance.

Dear Lord

https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-hea...ard-1489364405

So AHCA would save less, by screwing over 14 million people, than the proposed increase in the defense budget would cost.

TX rep Joe Barton just said on Hardball that since only 10 million signed up for the exchanges last year he finds CBO's forecast that 14 million would lose insurance the first year difficult to believe

#Mensa

In the early 2000s basically happened to my friend who's a juvenile diabetic. From my understanding, California had some law that small business could charge "market rate" for the first 6 months of employment, then they had to roll in that employee with the rest of the group. Her health insurance was going to be about what they were paying her.

She ended up quitting after not long. Medicaid was in infinitely better deal for her. Nice system.

That's an important point in discussing this. People will lose insurance multiple ways. Many will lose Medicaid (or not get enough Medicaid $$ to be worth a damn even if they are covered). But many others won't be able to afford insurance because of the increased premiums and lowered subsidies (now tax credits). Additionally, seven million will lose their employer-sponsored health insurance.

I am now more embarrassed depending on how many fewer YECs exist in Japan.

looooooooooolllllllll GOP

(That's all that is necessary)

The white house projections are even worse

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...e-house-236019

Yeah....but losing your doctor bro...

Trump and Rs are really doubling down on the stupidity of the trumpkins with this 3 phase bullshit. Don't worry old, sick, and poor people, while you will probably lose your insurance now, if you survive long enough for us to figure out what the hell phase 2 and 3 are and how we will even pull it off, then there might be something in there for you. We can't give you any details on phase 2 or 3 because it's pretty much just Trump style bullshit, but what we can guarantee you is ACCESS to health care.

AFAIK phase two is unbundling the mandated services. That might save most people some tmoney but it's going to make the premiums for those specific services way higher. I'm not sure how it'll work with the Democratic filibuster though. I just know they're doing this specific part this specific way for the revenue cuts so they can cut taxes without a filibuster

Apparently Trump can cut whatever services he likes by executive order.

So if this doesn't go through Trumps going to do any thing he can to sabotage Obama care right?

Right.

Not according to the markets or the CBO or really anyone besides AM radio types.

Maybe this has been discussed, but to me it seems like there's a case to be made that Trump should veto whatever trash bill comes across his desk. It will bolster his image as being sort of above the basic partisan milieu while giving him the ability to blame any health care problems on Obama moving forward. The desire of the people around him to see poor people suffer might be too great for them to consider it, but I think it's the move.

****The report predicted that premiums would be 15 percent to 20 percent higher in the first year compared with those under the Affordable Care Act but 10 percent lower on average after 2026. By and large, older Americans would pay “substantially” more and younger Americans less.***

This is good how? If you are 56-years old now you pay more. And in 2026 when you hit 65 you pay more.

This seems rather inequitable. The older generator was once young and funded their elders. And then right when they get to the tipping point where they earn what they saved, we pull the rug out underneath them?

We don't know what is happening next month. 2026? I know we need to plan, but this is running a marathon and we don't even know the start, route or end. And then we are being shouted out, a) all if ok, and b) this is the end. And individually have to figure this out. Premiums up 15-20% in first year? With the words affordable? How?

Without actually looking at the analysis, I'm 80% sure the reason premiums will be cheaper 10 years out is steep cuts in the benefits the plans offer.

Wonder if there will be a big surge in doctor/hospital visits over the next 6-12 months with people wanting to take care of health issues that were lingering, fearing they will soon lose their care.

Great. 10 years out. How about if you have bills next month?

Premiums and deductibles keep going up. I guess we make the system affordable by kicking out a lot of people and raising prices. Maybe it all needs to fail miserably and we come together as a country. I guess in 10 years.

I don't see why any moderately health 26-year old would ever buy insurance. Pay and go and the first sign of problems sign up and pay a one-time 30% penalty. There are a lot of people that just go to the doctor one or twice a year. They can pay a few hundred dollars max and save thousands a year.

The problem with a lot of this is we are actively discouraging people from going to a doctor. And then they should up on the latter side of a treatable event and it ends up costing much more. Which is what will happen with the 30% premium folks. It is equivalent to buying car insurance right as you are about to total your car. The insurance companies will have to keep raising prices.

I guess this is a classic death spiral. With death.

Moderate.

What does seeing a doctor in November of this year accomplish if you have diabetes which you have to manage over your life?

And if you are healthy, I guess you should up to the doctor for a physical. And they tell you are healthy. What does that matter for January 2018 when you don't feel healthy?

Poor doctors in these communities. Slammed during Thanksgiving and Christmas and they come back January 2 and their waiting rooms are empty. They still have to pay rent and payroll. With what? We are kicking millions of their customers out. Doesn't every other business severely contract when they lose millions of customers? Why would this be any different?

I hate to keep pointing this out. With virtually all diseases, people only show interest when they or someone close to them has the disease. Like cancer, parkinson's, etc. Normal human nature. But Alzheimer's lobbying will only be funded relatives. And at that point, they are taxed too much to start a lobbying effort.

Reading this can drive one crazy. How much money should we allocate to this cause? We are spending more than the total economy of countries like Finland and New Zealand.

These are the toughest societal questions and now we are facing it directly. We have done an admirable job of extending life. Only for that to come back and punish us even more. Where it will definitely be a cause of bankrupting the system. There is no humane way to care of these people cheaply. How? Who? They wander. You have to keep them locked up for their own good. They can't be alone. They can't be grouped with each other without constant supervision.

***http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/health...s-report-2017/

The Cost to Society

Experts point out that without additional funding and a breakthrough, Alzheimer's could be the disease that breaks the nation's health care bank. In 2017, for the first time, total costs for caring for those living with Alzheimer's and other dementias hit $259 billion -- over a quarter of a trillion dollars.

"If we all live to age 85 -- and who doesn't hope to live at least that long? -- almost half of us will have Alzheimer's disease," Potter said, "and the other half will be caregivers. No one is immune.***

another day, another step closer to golfnutt realizing that UHC is the only thing that makes sense