Ya, I def considered going into medicine, but the poverty wages really turned me away. Plus the fear of socialism.

2:35. Actually, the whole clip.

Michael Moore? That is like using a Fox News editorial, just on the other end of the spectrum.

^ugh, I was waiting for the lol michael moore. Considering the conversation here, it fits well.

He certainly isn't an objective person, nor is he trying to report any sort of balance. It is no different than saying "But Rush Limbaugh says..." It is just the opposite skewed POV.

I'm a moderate. I see both extremes as being LOL. I honestly thought you were trolling me. I guess not.

Anyone who's trying to convince you of anything isn't "balanced"

You thought a clip extolling the benefits of single payer must have been a troll? Ok fine, I buy that.

Because hospitals have been buying up as many Doctor practices as they can in the last several years.

Good to see you are still alive. Was starting to feel guilty about my avatar.

I didn't watch it, just as I wouldn't have watched a Rush Limbaugh or similar clip on the topic (or any other). I have no interest in watching people with extreme, divisive political agendas. Those people are part of the reason our country is so messed up today.

OK and you know you're just making that up, right? That's what the Moore clip is meant to address. You don't mean "lol Michael Moore", the person you're really rejecting is the doctor there.

Pokeraddict, do you think that doctor is LYING? Was he a plant of global communism? He's not spitballing about this like it's a hypothetical, that dude lives there!

No, you aren't. Stop lying. You might have foolishly believed that due to living in a bubble, but now that you've found this thread you that notion should be dispelled. You're on the very far right on health care policy in the world, and solidly in the conservative view in the United States.

Single payer is the moderate position, the UK isn't single payer, it's entirely nationalized.

LOL of course.

What if you learned something?

Medicare IS single payer! Dude, less writing, more learning.

Ya thanks. You've had that thing for years.

FU

I don't believe Bernie Sanders has specifically stated he would use the exact payouts to doctors currently used by Medicare. If you have a link quoting him as saying that, please provide it as I am happy to do "more learning" as you put it.

Even if he has, and I see many articles in Google refuting your statement, it only proves the point of my post that doctors will get less money than they would from private insurance.

Doctors would probably get paid less, and hospitals would definitely get less. Insurance company's revenues would be miniscule compared to the present. Company human resources health care administrators would be practically wiped out.

Basically the GDP percentage dedicated to health care would decrease

By the way, does anyone in the world doubt for a second that on Earth 2 where ikes posted some dumb article about health care costs going up, and I tried to gainsay him by comparing it to historical averages or whatever, Pokeraddict would be in here tut-tutting dumb libtards about how socialized health care leads to out of control cost inflation for health care? Unfunded liabilities, the national debt, and so forth?

I have no idea what this nonsense means but it seems like an admission your previous posts were inaccurate when you said I needed to do more learning. Otherwise I would see a link or quote.

I've never called anyone a derogatory term as you are. When people resort to your level of condescending and insulting attitude it is because that is all they have left to cling to. I hope you will do some research on the topic. Best of luck.

Which of my posts was "inaccurate", and how?


"i've never called anyone a derogatory term"... kid you're out here trying to explain the necessity of poor people going without health care. Heavens to betsy that you get the mildest pushback on your absolutely content-free word association callousness.

I've been offered a position with a company that (unlike my current employer) offers health insurance. The owner e-mailed me a breakdown of the costs and coverages and I was surprised to see that the monthly premiums for the employer policy was almost identical to mine (his is $351.55/month, I'm currently paying $357.88). Of course the deductibles are way lower with the employer based coverage ($2k v. $3800). Main difference is that the employer pays half while I currently pay all.

Please show your work here. I can't speak for all areas but in central FL pre-Obamacare these clinics have been all over the place for at least the decade I lived here pre-Obamacare and the ERs were still clogged as ****.

My guess is that this is because the clinics required either cash or an insurance card before dispensing treatment whereas the ERs wouldn't turn patients away due to inability to pay, but this is only a guess.

Your thought was correct. Clinics are not bound by EMTALA, and can require pre-payment/proof of insurance. ER's have to see anyone who walks in the door.

MM MD

Even though it is cost plus modeling, Medicare is the most efficient and cost effective system in the US, and it's not close. Why would the US go to single payer and not use one of the actual effective parts of our existing government? That would make no sense.

Prospective employer is offering you a pretty lousy deal on health care insurance in my view but ymmv. Hopefully a significant bump higher in pay would compensate. Sincerely, thanks for posting this.

It's a small company, fewer than 20 employees. TBH it didn't look all that great to me either, but it's strictly better than what I have now (lower co-pay, lower deductible, lower premium)

He wondered out loud how much longer he'll be able to afford it. He said that since around 2007 the company has changed plans every single year as costs continually rise

For smaller companies yes they don't have as much leverage. Also being that small that is a pretty big deal for them to even offer it. Again thanks for sharing.