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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

09-26-2014 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
http://www.amazon.com/Complications-...erfect+science

If you're actually interested in medical errors, this is a good book to start with.
Medical science is not an exact science. Every doctor isn't a Gregory House. Many people are suing when they are not pleased with the outcome.
There needs to be a two tier pricing system. Those willing to accept arbitration will pay a lower price. Those wanting the right to sue should pay a premium price.
09-26-2014 , 03:57 PM
So like due process, or super due process, depending on income

Sounds legit, let's get to work on this
09-26-2014 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by neg3sd
Medical science is not an exact science. Every doctor isn't a Gregory House. Many people are suing when they are not pleased with the outcome.
There needs to be a two tier pricing system. Those willing to accept arbitration will pay a lower price. Those wanting the right to sue should pay a premium price.
You can "sue" over virtually anything, but that doesn't mean you get paid.
09-27-2014 , 10:05 AM
Make it like flying. Some people buy flight insurance. Most don't. Also when you buy a new tech product, some people buy an extended warranty.

Just having the right to sue increases the price. If every malpractice suit lost, it would still raise the price of health care.
09-27-2014 , 05:19 PM
negs really brainstorming the **** out of solutions to problems that don't exist over here
09-28-2014 , 02:21 AM
Didn't know the effects of gross negligence depended on how exact the science is of the practitioner. Tell us more.
09-28-2014 , 12:46 PM
Yeah if you go in for an appendectomy and they accidentally amputate a leg that's just medicine being an inexact science.
09-28-2014 , 03:47 PM
I also like the "not pleased with the outcome", like it's remodeling a kitchen and the paint you picked ends up drying a shade darker than you thought.
09-29-2014 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Fixing SS and Medicare isn't very hard at all--they are not going to collapse.
without more money they will you can't argue that, if you need more money where is it going to come from - some of it is going to come from the middle class which thinks it is getting walk...they aren't and won't and they are going to be plenty angry when they figure it out!

again this is not an arguement for the next couple of months, let the boomers move into the system in mass for a couple of years - it is going need a major correction
09-29-2014 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Strike-3
without more money they will you can't argue that, if you need more money where is it going to come from - some of it is going to come from the middle class which thinks it is getting walk...they aren't and won't and they are going to be plenty angry when they figure it out!

again this is not an arguement for the next couple of months, let the boomers move into the system in mass for a couple of years - it is going need a major correction
Bro, the money is going to come from people who aren't born yet and who are not allowed to be counted in Medicare and SS calculations because they don't exist even though we're certain they'll be there. I mean sure, I'll totally grant that in 50 years, that the accounting will be such that there are millions of people owed benefits and no one (who exists right now) paying into the system, but no one who understands things gives a ****. Even if the math doesn't quite work out, the system can be fixed by a small increase in taxation (say, increasing the level above which income is exempted from payroll taxes, which doesn't even affect the middle class) rather than resulting in the inevitable collapse of the US government. Your Chicken Little routine is hollow, boring, and baseless.
09-29-2014 , 12:06 PM
100% chance when strike-3 gets to Medicare age he starts freaking out that politicians are going to take it away, because he earned that ****. But go ahead and "fix it" for everyone under 50.
09-29-2014 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Strike-3

again this is not an arguement for the next couple of months, let the boomers move into the system in mass for a couple of years - it is going need a major correction
http://www.hhnmag.com/display/HHN-ne...y-baby-boomers

This article says 3 million baby boomers each year for the next 20 years are joining medicare.
09-29-2014 , 03:46 PM
Its always good to see a Republican rage against the Republican policy of tax cuts on the rich. I mean, he hasnt quite worked it out yet, but he is getting close.
09-29-2014 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
100% chance when strike-3 gets to Medicare age he starts freaking out that politicians are going to take it away, because he earned that ****. But go ahead and "fix it" for everyone under 50.
you know nothing about me other then the fact I think we have a financial problem in our government - I don't feakout - I actually don't give a damn about collecting anything from it - All I think needs to be done is not continue to expand it
09-29-2014 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by neg3sd
http://www.hhnmag.com/display/HHN-ne...y-baby-boomers

This article says 3 million baby boomers each year for the next 20 years are joining medicare.
so you are saying 20 years is a long time? got it and we will just come up with a plan on year 19 that makes it all better...yep I am sure that will workout real well!!
09-29-2014 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Strike-3
so you are saying 20 years is a long time? got it and we will just come up with a plan on year 19 that makes it all better...yep I am sure that will workout real well!!
Bro, millions of people have been joining Medicare for almost 50 years. There will be millions of Gen-Xers joining once the 20 year Boomer period is done. And the Millenials after them.
09-29-2014 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Bro, the money is going to come from people who aren't born yet and who are not allowed to be counted in Medicare and SS calculations because they don't exist even though we're certain they'll be there. I mean sure, I'll totally grant that in 50 years, that the accounting will be such that there are millions of people owed benefits and no one (who exists right now) paying into the system, but no one who understands things gives a ****. Even if the math doesn't quite work out, the system can be fixed by a small increase in taxation (say, increasing the level above which income is exempted from payroll taxes, which doesn't even affect the middle class) rather than resulting in the inevitable collapse of the US government. Your Chicken Little routine is hollow, boring, and baseless.
good idea, lets continue to spend the money from generations of people who aren't born yet...you actually wrote that - but I am boring and hollow.

that is one of the most shallow selfish things a country could do...actually it says much about you and how little regard you have for anyone...but it a constant from guys like you - we will just fix it with a little tax increase!

you guys are special! someday when you have grandkids you will be able to look them in the eye and know that you did your best F*** them over before they were born! Nice work!
09-29-2014 , 04:58 PM
We're spending their money after their born. And the young spending their resources to care for the old is a tradition as old as humanity.
09-29-2014 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Bro, millions of people have been joining Medicare for almost 50 years. There will be millions of Gen-Xers joining once the 20 year Boomer period is done. And the Millenials after them.
it is biggeer then just Obamacare, Medicare/caid, SS, and all the other programs...hell any 1 or two of them would not be an issue. the total package is going to be the issue.
09-29-2014 , 05:10 PM
Medicare is a material issue, everything else is just a question of where the political compromise shakes out. SS is trivially easy to fix.
09-29-2014 , 05:12 PM
What will "the issue" be?
09-29-2014 , 05:13 PM
It is frustrating to me that we know that the deficits between 2020-2030 are the greatest fiscal problem facing this country and the sooner we act the easier it would be under and plan. It's like watching a car wreck in slow motion but refusing to swerve.
09-29-2014 , 05:20 PM
lol seattle I think you may have accidentally opened an old script there.
09-29-2014 , 05:21 PM
It is an old refrain for sure.
09-29-2014 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
What will "the issue" be?
Program spending as a percentage of GDP reaching high enough levels on the current trend path that the increased spend can't be easily covered by raising taxes based on historical taxes as a % of GDP numbers making crowding out other spending and have other adverse effects on the economy a possibility.

      
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