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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

01-29-2018 , 03:37 PM
That's the part you keep to yourself man.
01-29-2018 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
That's the part you keep to yourself man.
Do you work for free?
01-29-2018 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
Do you work for free?
I am a lecturer, so almost. It's a pretty common occurence for me to stay after class or extend office hours to help struggling students. But why would I ever do this when I get paid by the credit? DOES NOT COMPUTE.

ETA: Lower rate =/= free.
01-29-2018 , 09:49 PM
Idaho repeals the ACA

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Last week, Idaho made a startling announcement: It will allow insurers to sell health insurance that does*not*comply with Obamacare regulations. This means that, in Idaho, health insurance plans could once again deny coverage to people with preexisting conditions — or charge them higher prices.

They could decide to not cover certain benefits that Obamacare mandates (maternity coverage, for example, was often left out before the health law) or put lifetime caps on their benefits. Idaho is the first state to roll out this type of regulation; it did so in a bulletin last week,*first reported*by the Wall Street Journal.

What we know: The Idaho rules clearly run afoul of federal law. The Affordable Care Act outlaws the exact type of plans that Idaho wants to allow onto its insurance market.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...urance-voxcare
01-30-2018 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
That's the part you keep to yourself man.
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
lol wow
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
I am a lecturer, so almost. It's a pretty common occurence for me to stay after class or extend office hours to help struggling students. But why would I ever do this when I get paid by the credit? DOES NOT COMPUTE.

ETA: Lower rate =/= free.
"I'm a lecturer" christ f***ing spare me. My wife is an HBCU prof and is right there with me on this one, and I moonlight 1) at a children's hospital and 2) doing autism diagnostics while 3) my FT job is helping children & families as a therapist, so yeah I think my dogoodery points are where they need to be. I work like 70 hour weeks at a pretty modest rate and have bills like anybody else so you can f*** right off sir.

But before you do, please tell me how much of a haircut I can afford before ethically justifying ditching Medicaid clients. Clearly 30% + a huge uptick in cancellations isn't enough of a reason, but are there numbers that'd justify it or are you f***ing Professor Ghandi who only serves the poor free of charge?

If you got paid per class, 1/3 your students were on Medicaid, you got 30% less per Medicaid student & they skipped class twice as often as non-medicaid kids (and you don't get paid those days) would you consider not taking that population? What would the numbers have to be for you to pass on those students if your livelihood wasn't a tenured salary for 8 months of work per year and instead relied on payments per student per class year round?

I'm working endless hours to provide for my family, to the point that I see my toddler son 45 minutes in the AM and never again all day 2 or more times per week, often include 12 hr Saturdays & I wouldn't have to do so nearly so often if my revenue improved at my FT job but **** it AllThe****ingCheese tells me I can't stop taking my 'worst' clients so I better just work more hours!

"You should keep that to urself dib lol" how about instead you go **** yourself.

Last edited by DudeImBetter; 01-30-2018 at 02:59 AM.
01-30-2018 , 03:42 AM
Ok, man. Nice work ethic. Props for taking care of your family. Imo, you should work less and get in more time with your kid(s?). Imo you should also try to take Medicaid patients and eat the haircut unless it's really killing you.
01-30-2018 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Ok, man. Nice work ethic. Props for taking care of your family. Imo, you should work less and get in more time with your kid(s?). Imo you should also try to take Medicaid patients and eat the haircut unless it's really killing you.
Did you read the post right above yours? I mean really read it.
01-30-2018 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Imo, you should work less and get in more time with your kid(s?).
Are you trolling? Did you even read my post or did it make you too uncomfortable so you quit after the first couple sentences?

If you're trolling WP I guess, if not you're an ******* of the highest f***ing order. "You should spend more time with your kids" mother****er you think I'm out here whimsically choosing to slave away at my jobs that I don't get 4 months of paid vacation from and tenured job security for?!

Since you insist on continuing this conversation and aren't fully walking your **** back then 1) grow a sack and 2) actually read my post and respond to the very direct questions you were asked.


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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Imo you should also try to take Medicaid patients and eat the haircut unless it's really killing you.
PS I've got a mother-in-law living with us who's got moderately severe health conditions and isn't capable of working and who we are financially responsible for so she doesn't die destitute in S America; we squeezed her in as Trump was taking aim at the Family Reunification Act / chain migration.

You're a f***ing ******* who can't help himself. Read my f***ing post if it isn't too scary for you and tell me precisely how much money I should be passing on while somehow still spending more time with my kids and providing for my ill MiL while my wife takes her own haircut by being a professor at an HBCU.

Actually, **** all that, maybe YOU should quit YOUR cush professorship and join my wife at an HBCU so the underserved population she serves can benefit from your smug-yet-woefully-ignorant ass? Yeah why don't YOU take that haircut bro. Oh, and THEN SPEND MORE TIME WITH YOUR KIDS.

Motherf***** social justice is more than something I d*** around with online to feel better about myself, it's literally built into my professional ethics and is something I directly grapple with on a daily basis in ways that are real as f***. Perhaps you should apologize for stepping out of line and slink away? That or actually read my former post and respond accordingly. Anything but snide and ignorant judgments that makes the hole grow deeper.

Last edited by DudeImBetter; 01-30-2018 at 09:26 AM.
01-30-2018 , 11:37 AM
I don't have a cushy professor job. I am a lecturer (non-tenure track, paid by the credit). It pays little, and I am hustling now to get work for over the summer.

I do take back the initial "lol dib" post. I thought you (a) were an MD doctor (didn't know outpatient therapist was a social worker), and related (b) made much more money than you do (probably, based on Google).

The post after your response was made sincerely, not intended as a troll or own.

For the questions: Yes, there is a too-big haircut, but it depends on what you make, family situation, etc. The other questions were hypotheticals about a professor job that I don't have.
01-30-2018 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
I don't have a cushy professor job. I am a lecturer (non-tenure track, paid by the credit). It pays little, and I am hustling now to get work for over the summer.

I do take back the initial "lol dib" post. I thought you (a) were an MD doctor (didn't know outpatient therapist was a social worker), and related (b) made much more money than you do (probably, based on Google).

The post after your response was made sincerely, not intended as a troll or own.

For the questions: Yes, there is a too-big haircut, but it depends on what you make, family situation, etc. The other questions were hypotheticals about a professor job that I don't have.
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01-31-2018 , 09:40 AM
The problem with the skin in the game argument is Americans don't have enough skin left, unless they win the lottery.

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It was a lucky start to 2018 for 51-year-old Donald Savastano, a Queens native who was living upstate in Sidney. He played the New York Lottery's "Merry Millionaire" game and won $1 million.
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The plans also included a trip to the doctor, because he couldn't afford to go previously.
"He was self-employed," said Danielle Scott, who works at the store where he bought the winning ticket. "He didn't have insurance, he hadn't been feeling good for a while, I guess, and when he got the money he went into the doctor."

The news wasn't good. He learned he had stage four cancer.

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Savastano died Friday, 23 days after he won the lottery.

"I was hoping that the money was maybe going to save his life," Scott said.
http://abc7chicago.com/3008129/?ex_c...source=twitter

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 01-31-2018 at 09:58 AM.
01-31-2018 , 09:47 AM
Damn, hope he at least went out banging 10/10 hookers and higher than a kite on the good stuff.
01-31-2018 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
The problem with the skin in the game argument is Americans don't have enough skin left, unless they win the lottery.



http://abc7chicago.com/3008129/?ex_c...source=twitter
ACA wasn't working and this is a clear example.
01-31-2018 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
ACA wasn't working and this is a clear example.
Yup. You know what probably would have worked in that example? Single payer.
01-31-2018 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Yup. You know what probably would have worked in that example? Single payer.
Maybe. OTOH, it's a frequent occurence in the ER to diagnose end stage cancer in insured patients, too. Denial about medical problems is really common. Just an observation - also entirely possible the guy would have been seen sooner.

Our health care "system" is a mess.....

MM MD
01-31-2018 , 11:36 AM
On a different note, amusing how the head of the CDC goes out. Doctors, for being smart people, can sure be dumb some times.

MM MD
01-31-2018 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hobbes9324
Maybe. OTOH, it's a frequent occurence in the ER to diagnose end stage cancer in insured patients, too. Denial about medical problems is really common. Just an observation - also entirely possible the guy would have been seen sooner.

Our health care "system" is a mess.....

MM MD
Seems like a guy who sees the doctor as soon as he gets money is the kind who would have seen a doctor earlier if it were free.
01-31-2018 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
ACA wasn't working and this is a clear example.
How about you flesh this one out for us. What is the conservative solution that would have helped this guy?
01-31-2018 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Seems like a guy who sees the doctor as soon as he gets money is the kind who would have seen a doctor earlier if it were free.
Beat me to it.
01-31-2018 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
How about you flesh this one out for us. What is the conservative solution that would have helped this guy?
One where he doesn't win the lottery and no one has to hear about him.
01-31-2018 , 12:41 PM
I mean, I guess it really doesn't belong in an obamacare thread, but I'm surprised there isn't any discussion at all about this buffet/bezos/diamond thing. Seems like a good thing. Don't underestimate bezos imo.

The first thing I thought of was some sort of amazonlike thing where you can shop around for an mri or a doctor or maybe prescription drugs and people put comments about their experiences with the provider.

Also, obamacare is pretty much dead, right?
01-31-2018 , 12:59 PM
It probably does belong here.

But I don't see why we can't just do what is working in dozens of other countries.

Should we really be dependent on people with 11 figure bank accounts to save us?
01-31-2018 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
It probably does belong here.

But I don't see why we can't just do what is working in dozens of other countries.

Should we really be dependent on people with 11 figure bank accounts to save us?
I don't either, but Congress doesn't seem interested in doing anything. And, when they do it gets torn down. Maybe our country just isn't ready to go that direction? I dunno. Why not let someone give it a shot?

FWIW, I do think there is sentiment from many of the ultra-wealthy to do things for the better good. This initiative has certainly been advertised (maybe accurately?) as strictly for monetary reasons, but buffet and bezos (don't know much about diamond) seem like they are the types to want to see a social benefit come from this as well. In this particular case, I think the two goals are intrinsically tied together.
01-31-2018 , 02:00 PM
Amazon distribution centers are sweatshops that work people until they collapse from exhaustion. WaPo themselves did a story on one Amazon DC that had to contract with the city where it was located to have an ambulance on site 24/7 because workplace injuries were so frequent.

Bezos doesn't care about anyone's welfare.
01-31-2018 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
How about you flesh this one out for us. What is the conservative solution that would have helped this guy?
This is how a conservative would solve the problem of rising costs:

https://www.vox.com/technology/2018/...warren-buffett

      
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