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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

03-27-2017 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
rofl @ how sad they all look
Except for the black grandfather. He's got somewhat of a smug expression, like he's pleased that they pulled one over on Whitey.
03-27-2017 , 08:33 AM
lol 6k/yr for "lessons" and 2.5k/yr for your child's clothing, 3 different $6k vacations

is $20k/yr on childcare for 1 child a reasonable figure?

love it tho, they've got retirement contributions, assets/investments, fun toys, everything covered and still got $7k leftover each year to light on fire however they feel

also wtf @ 40% eff tax rate?
03-27-2017 , 08:35 AM
also love that the "college alumni" was one of the charities of choice, instead of an organization that actually, you know, helps people

pure selfishness
03-27-2017 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
This chart shows 500k not 250k, so you confirmed what I typed living in a major metro area.
For real, at what income level should people not qualify for SNAP benefits? 200k? 100k?
03-27-2017 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
For real, at what income level should people not qualify for SNAP benefits? 200k? 100k?
That wasn't what I originally posted my "rich" comment about. It was a comment that the "rich" (those making more than 250k as defined by the liberal media) could travel to another country for medical treatment.

lol at people only paying 20k a year in property taxes on a 1.5 million home here in NJ.

https://smartasset.com/taxes/new-jer...tor#2pH1AyqlIV

one of the cheaper areas has it at 30k.

Last edited by raradevils; 03-27-2017 at 08:49 AM.
03-27-2017 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol 6k/yr for "lessons" and 2.5k/yr for your child's clothing, 3 different $6k vacations

is $20k/yr on childcare for 1 child a reasonable figure?

love it tho, they've got retirement contributions, assets/investments, fun toys, everything covered and still got $7k leftover each year to light on fire however they feel

also wtf @ 40% eff tax rate?
FWIW they are making 1/2 million a year and in the 1% club. Their standard of living is going to be far and away better than everyone else.
03-27-2017 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
That has worked great so far hasn't it?
It has in the places where they've done that.
03-27-2017 , 12:25 PM
The whole point was that it's going to end up costing rich people less to travel to another country and get a procedure when they're going to have to pay 8x the already inflated cost here. I'm not sure how their income level really factors into this other than the fact that people with better jobs are more likely to be able to take time off.
03-27-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
It has in the places where they've done that.
Yeah Sklansky walked right into this one
03-27-2017 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
That all depends on their location. If they are living in middle America and making that they feel like you are doing fine. Take that same individual living in any major metro area and not only do they not feel "rich" but they feel like they are struggling to get ahead. Would you agree with that?
No one, absolutely no one, who makes 250k in any city in the world is "struggling to get ahead."

Are you out of your ****ing mind?
03-27-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
But they still don't "feel" rich, amirite?

This thing really is like the Yankees fan gif. There's something new to discover every time.

Winners in Obama's dystopian tax future? Black retired couple. Dad with his arms crossed and fist clenched in scary offensive posture - probably reliving his glory days in the Black Panthers. Showing off his bling watch.

Taking a little small hit but mostly ok? Heathen sloot single mom and feisty-looking young Asian lady - also with arms crossed - getting ready to call you stupid and weak.

Getting the shaft from Obama's mendacious throbbing tax plan? White family. Clearly God-fearing by the fact that they can't stop cranking out babies. Babies who come out suspiciously blonde despite Dad looking kinda Jewish and Mom with the obvious dye-job. Hmmmm.

Also how does everyone have so much investment income at such a young age? The single mom and Asian lady need what $500k in the bank to make that much investment income? The married couple apparently has saved up $3.5M already?

Last edited by suzzer99; 03-27-2017 at 01:28 PM.
03-27-2017 , 01:20 PM
TIL all white families make $650k combined.
03-27-2017 , 01:30 PM
Because this isn't SE, for reference:

03-27-2017 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ymmv
Still waiting to hear any convincing argument against it.

FREEDOM
03-27-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jt217
The whole point was that it's going to end up costing rich people less to travel to another country and get a procedure when they're going to have to pay 8x the already inflated cost here. I'm not sure how their income level really factors into this other than the fact that people with better jobs are more likely to be able to take time off.
This is all a red herring anyway, because the majority of procedures that cost big $$ aren't the sort of thing you can schedule out ahead of time. About the only that comes to mind are elective hernia repair and elective hip replacement (which are common procedures to be sure)

BUT - acute MI? Standard of care is artery open within 90 minutes of symptom onset. Acute stroke? TPA/clot retrieval within 4 hours of symptom onset. Acute appy or chole? Urgent to emergent surgery within say 6-24 hours. Acute hip fracture? Pinning/plate within 24 hours. And on and on.....you're not flying to Singapore for any of this stuff.

MM MD

Last edited by hobbes9324; 03-27-2017 at 03:59 PM.
03-27-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
STRUGGLING to get ahead!

I make a little less than 500K, but a lot of those numbers are nuts.

I had a 600k mortgage and my payments were around 2500 a month. Who the **** takes three vacations a year. My primary car is a 2002 4-runner that just cracked 200k miles (I'm not a car guy, but forgive me if I don't weep for someones inability to have a Beemer) Food 2k a month - must be steaks and artichokes for every meal. And on and on.

Charity about 3% - pathetic. Home maintenance on a 1.5 million shack is going to be a LOT more than 5k, unless you want the place to fall apart. $2500 for insurance on the castle is too low, too.

WTF

MM MD
03-27-2017 , 04:05 PM
"Alexa, I believe I am having a stroke. Book me a flight to Singapore."
03-27-2017 , 04:33 PM
Cuba?
03-27-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ymmv
Still waiting to hear any convincing argument against it.


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There's not one. Or at least not an honest one.

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Republicans in particular, but Americans in general, are confounded by an unusual dynamic in health policy:*The health care systems that spend the least rely on government the most. This is difficult for Americans to grok because anti-government rhetoric takes as a given that government services cost more — we’ve all heard the stories of Pentagon procurement gone awry, or some agency somewhere spending absurd sums on pencil trays.

But in health care, the cheapest, highest-performing systems all do the same thing —*they let government set prices centrally. That’s true in the UK’s absurdly inexpensive, and fully socialized, health care system; but it’s also true in the Singaporean system, which conservatives often hold up as a model.

Hell, it’s even true in the American system! Medicare and Medicaid pay*much*less for health services than private insurers. That’s one reason Obamacare relied so heavily on the Medicaid expansion — Democrats couldn’t afford to subsidize private insurance for everyone who needed it, and so they turned to the cheaper insurance Medicaid offered. Even now, the part of Obamacare that needs more money is the part based on conservative ideas — the regulated marketplaces where people buy private insurance.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.vox.c...e-market-cheap
03-27-2017 , 04:36 PM
How much $ do you need to earn a year for it to actually be in your economic interest to vote Republican?
03-27-2017 , 04:37 PM
YES BUT IN SINGAPORE IF YOU NEED AN OPERATION YOU HAVE TO WAIT 6-8 MONTHS THAT IS WHY THEY ALL COME HERE. IT IS BETTER HERE IN AMERICA.
03-27-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by hobbes9324
I make a little less than 500K, but a lot of those numbers are nuts.

I had a 600k mortgage and my payments were around 2500 a month. Who the **** takes three vacations a year. My primary car is a 2002 4-runner that just cracked 200k miles (I'm not a car guy, but forgive me if I don't weep for someones inability to have a Beemer) Food 2k a month - must be steaks and artichokes for every meal. And on and on.

Charity about 3% - pathetic. Home maintenance on a 1.5 million shack is going to be a LOT more than 5k, unless you want the place to fall apart. $2500 for insurance on the castle is too low, too.

WTF

MM MD
A few people haven't got this still - it was a joke by fintwit, down town josh brown. The joke was that republicans will shortly be arguing along such lines and he was pointing out the irony of having all that and barely surviving. I.e needing a tax cut.
03-27-2017 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueWillow
A few people haven't got this still - it was a joke by fintwit, down town josh brown. The joke was that republicans will shortly be arguing along such lines and he was pointing out the irony of having all that and barely surviving. I.e needing a tax cut.
You mean everything on the internet isn't true? But...but....

Sadly, I think the joke is accurate. Part of that is just human nature, though - Intellectually and logically, I know I'm living at the far end of the bell curve financially (not the extreme end, like the Donald) - but day to day, it sure doesn't feel that way.

MM MD
03-27-2017 , 05:48 PM
600k mortgage is way more than 2500/month unless you aren't including insurance or property tax

Ah, I see they put those separately in the chart


They did 60k/month for 1.5M home which is only 1.8M in payments over 30 years including interest which isn't high
03-27-2017 , 05:58 PM
$300k down payment?

      
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