The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court - Page 506 - Politics and Economics

The individual health insurance market is a ripoff for a healthy person.

When they were working, the employer paid most of the premium. With COBRA they must pay the entire premium.

05-08-2014 , 06:34 PM

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seattlelou

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Sigh. I have no idea negs what your beef is about Obamacare but insurance being a rip off if you are healthy is is just dumb. Maybe start from the beginning and understand what the purpose of insurance is and why people buy such things.

05-08-2014 , 06:42 PM

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seattlelou

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Companies are also massively hiking the rates they charge employees for insurance even though their overall premium hadn't gone up nearly as much. They then just pocket the difference in profit and blame Obamacare. Pretty disgusting

What is your source for this assertion? It does not jive with this survey by Kaiser. http://kff.org/interactive/premiums-...contributions/

05-08-2014 , 06:42 PM

#12630

neg3sd

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Originally Posted by schu_22

Health insurance premiums have been rising faster than inflation for at least 30 years. Also policies seem to be covering ever more procedures. The employee contribution rate has increased faster than the premiums have been rising since before Obama. The health insurance model is expensive for the user. Employers aren't pocketing the difference. They are putting most of the increase onto the employees.

05-08-2014 , 06:43 PM

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Yeah I'd like a source on that too schu. Obamacare did introduce a bunch of new requirements for health insurance that obviously add to costs.

05-08-2014 , 06:49 PM

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It wasn't meant to be a blanket statement and i doubt its a far-reaching problem. I've read several things about it though. To me it seems like a few ****ty companies are doing it but most don't.

05-08-2014 , 06:56 PM

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Some companies will do whatever they can to shift/reduce costs and blame whatever is the hot issue.

I remember one hospital chain back in 2009 saying they needed to lay off staff and cut all benefits/pay by about 10% due to the recession. When we went into bargaining and had their numbers that showed their profits were growing by a decent amount and workers were willing to strike they backed off it all and agreed to raises instead.

05-08-2014 , 06:58 PM

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There was some sheet metal company that employed 30 people that said they went out of business because of Obamacare. Wasn't that one of the first of many debunked ACA horror stories?

05-08-2014 , 07:06 PM

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It wasn't meant to be a blanket statement and i doubt its a far-reaching problem. I've read several things about it though. To me it seems like a few ****ty companies are doing it but most don't.

It sure as hell looked like one. Coupled with the link that denoted the shareholder reports as 'scapegoating' ACA it's kind of obvious what you meant.

05-08-2014 , 07:15 PM

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FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Yeah I'd like a source on that too schu. Obamacare did introduce a bunch of new requirements for health insurance that obviously add to costs.

LOL ikes remember when I asked you to explain what exactly the new requirements that Obamacare added to group insurance were and you couldn't?

That was a fun time. It's even more fun because I bet you've managed to remember that as a great victory for TEAM IKESY BABY because you're ****ing bringing it back.

05-08-2014 , 07:15 PM

#12637

rjoefish

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lol so he means the opposite of what he says he means?

05-08-2014 , 07:24 PM

#12638

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

lol so he means the opposite of what he says he means?

No, he meant what he said the first time, and backed down from it later with a pretty lame face saving attempt.

05-08-2014 , 07:24 PM

#12639

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

I couldn't, or did I ignore the kid trying to barge into the adults table? Once you figure out there's a doctor shortage and the young are subsidizing the old maybe I'll take you seriously again.

05-08-2014 , 07:28 PM

#12640

Riverman

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DOCTOR SHORTAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EE

05-08-2014 , 07:30 PM

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ikestoys

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schu here's another chance!

05-08-2014 , 08:04 PM

#12642

schu_22

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

It sure as hell looked like one. Coupled with the link that denoted the shareholder reports as 'scapegoating' ACA it's kind of obvious what you meant.

Well, that's not what it was

05-08-2014 , 08:06 PM

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schu here's another chance!

I only fight battles I can win. Riverman is always going to be riverman. Every time someone posts "lol" or "read the thread" are you gonna come running to daddy asking me to chastise them for it? Really?

05-08-2014 , 08:10 PM

#12644

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

I couldn't, or did I ignore the kid trying to barge into the adults table?

Uh, the first one, obviously. You couldn't. You still can't.

05-08-2014 , 08:26 PM

#12645

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by schu_22

No I'm making a larger point. The criticisms of my posts as brief and combative come from people who either do it themselves just as much, or come from people who just happen to ignore everyone but me doing the same thing.

05-08-2014 , 08:28 PM

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The criticisms of my posts as brief and combative come from people who either do it themselves just as much

#thingsikesactuallybelieves

05-08-2014 , 08:35 PM

#12647

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

#thingsikesactuallybelieves

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Hahahahaha you can't see the difference between the post you responded to and the post I responded to

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Spoiler:

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lol

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

hahahaha we broke him

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I legit laughed out loud at connecting Benghazi to a cocaine addiction

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hahahahaha that graph wow

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What's funny about the HuffPo quotation that MickeyB105 is SUPER MAD about is that it's...stating what a CBO report found. LIBERAL SLANTING ON THE NUMBERS

Yes goofy, I believe it.

05-08-2014 , 08:47 PM

#12648

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ikes, all you just did was prove that you have no idea what behavior we're talking about, to the surprise of nobody.

Going back to this:

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Hahahahaha you can't see the difference between the post you responded to and the post I responded to

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

No goofy I can.

You very clearly cannot. Thanks for the laughs though, maybe try again?

05-08-2014 , 08:52 PM

#12649

ikestoys

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And another one.

05-08-2014 , 09:04 PM

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goofyballer

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I mean you seriously just cited three posts where my response was longer and/or had more substance than the post I was responding to as evidence of...well, you don't really know, do you? It's like you think we laugh at you because all posts need to cross some arbitrary number of characters. There aren't enough lolikes to describe how clueless you are.

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