Lol at believing a word that comes out of McConnell's mouth. Susan Collins obviously didn't learn the first time.

This is the same reason why a shutdown for DACA doesn't work*. Most people only support DACA because its the right thing to do and it costs them nothing. As soon as you inconvenience them they don't give a ****.

* At least this time - I think they're setting themselves up for a slightly better position next time while also giving the Republicans the chance to shoot themselves in the foot.

By the way, all the lolz at a "libertarian" hating on "losers" for not negotiating a boondoogle wall. Totally believe this guy wasn't into the "libertarianism" for the racism.

48 petitions per second...from Russian spambots

The Ds do not have the power to force Rs do anything mechanically, Rs would nuke the filibuster to open the government before they gave up something they really cared about. Whether a shutdown was good or not, depends on whether it changed anyone in the public's mind. The unpopularity of the R's position on DACA and of Rs generally right now is already baked in, I don't think the shutdown was making them more unpopular, it was a stalemate at best for Ds, imo.

So think it was strategically fine to take very minor concessions, regroup and try again in a few weeks. Tbh, going into this shutdown I think they were more focused on working out an an actual deal with Dumb Donnie than messaging a shutdown. Hope they come out stronger next time, especially as many of the R's weak excuses will be gone by then.

Interestingly, the Trump propaganda theory of why the Democrats caved makes more sense than the 2p2 theory. The Trump theory is that the shutdown was unpopular due to GOP propaganda saying it subordinated military spending to amnesty, so the Democrats backed down because they felt vulnerable. The 2p2 theory is that the shutdown strategy was going awesome and they were about to win, but then they surrendered for no reason, maybe they just don't understand parliamentary tactics as well as internet randoms.

lol but now we have mitch mcconnel's word that he'll consider our demands

I'm reading the bill being voted on includes long term funding for CHIP and repeals several health care taxes. The Republicans are obviously never passing any immigration reform bill that moves policy to the left and funding the government for only 3 weeks isn't very significant one way or the other. So the deal today really should be seen as Democrats trading away health care taxes to get CHIP funded. That will be the lasting effect after the promised immigration negotiations fail to produce a deal. If the next shutdown is avoided or ended by Democrats agreeing to Stephen Miller approved immigration policies in exchange for restoring the same protections dreamers had previously (but no more) we better see more than a blue wave in November. There needs to be a progressive wave within the party itself or WAAF.

100% chance trump chastises democrats during his state of the union address

Of course the SOTU will be nothing more than an hour long tweet

democrats had 59 votes in the senate and could only pass things that republicans wanted, but now republicans have 51 votes and it's still a one-way street toward republican policy goals. democrats = morons

I take it "chastises" is a euphemism for something far stronger.

lol he's gonna invite them all into the room for sotu, lock the doors then accuse them of treason and have them arrested one by one like saddam did

if some hero doesn't interrupt him by shouting you lie or something to that effect, the democratic party is over

Tbh, Rs are ****ed in the midterms as is. If I was vile and immoral hack that hated immigrants anyway like most of them, I'd probably be happy rolling the dice with a high variance strategy of shutting down the government in a DACA fight. Then using my control of government agencies to spread vile and despicable lies.

Yea Trump's SOTU address is gonna be shear insanity. The Dems should walk out in the middle of the speech.

I like this response.

But for now Democrats have resolved not to stand up and cheer that line. Check back in a few days to see if Schumer caved.

Also, unfortunately, I don't think stories like those of the Polish man being deported or individual stories about DREAMers are going to change the minds of many who have thus far rationalized staying on the Trump Train. I worry that instead this effect will kick in:

https://www.hb.org/the-psychology-of...s-t-munger/#05

I could sort of come around to a view of the wall as a giant WPA-type arts project, along the lines of Cristo's outdoor exhibitions, intended to bring employment to impoverished areas. I think I could get behind that.

Also, if there's a big ole wall, can we lay off like 25% of ICE?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...eakness-policy

And Republicans are complicit in every murder committed in a mass shooting.

Of course despite the consistency in that statement, Republicans will spout some fake news thing and **** off.

This. Also, who does everyone think gets hurt the most during a government shutdown? Hint: It's not rich donor-class republicans. It's poor people and minorities who rely on federal government services, or who are employed by the federal government in low paying jobs that cause them to live paycheck to paycheck and rely on that paycheck.