I kind of doubt that 600K people are going to be deported ever...and certainly not in the next two weeks.

You just made all that stuff up though. None of that is in Durbin-Graham.

I think its poorly phrased to say it like that (re deportations).

As of March 5th, there are thousands of people every day that become illegal. It's not just about the threat of deportation (which, while unlikely for each individual, WILL happen). It's also about the fact that as illegals its harder for them to work. It's harder to drive. Basically, their whole life becomes a lot ****tier.

Analogies.

But yeah. I wish but cancer on everyone who uses poker analogies here and the DT thread

100% awful

Confirmed dreamers getting deported

And Durbin-Graham was rejected by the White House within an hour or two of the vote today. Durbin-Graham is DOA at the White House.

No, after 3/5. LOL if you think Trump and ICE aren't salivating at the prospects...

They're raiding 7/11s FFS, seems likely they're working on some kind of plan to go rounding up people who've had to check in with their address.

If the situation was reversed, ZERO chance the Republicans would ever give in and they would be praised nonstop for it.

Why are the Democrats such pansies?

Stop being nice. Republican elected officials are amoral, vile individuals. You have to stop them using whatever means necessary.

Make him veto.

That’s a huge win for Dems.

Nope, there's not enough GOP Senate support for a radical overhaul of the immigration system. Not going to happen.

I don't think this is much of a loss. Hope they're prepared to such down again in three weeks if Ryan tries to play games.

Most things that close during a shutdown are more on the "liberal" end of the spectrum anyway. In particular, ICE is still funded during a shutdown. If Trump wants to deport the DREAMers he can and will. Unfortunately, the majority of our parents and grandparents either wanted, or were willing to accept, a vile and amoral government.

The premise that Dems had no leverage in the minority and thus a shutdown was stupid is absurd. That's kind of the whole point of a shutdown, it creates leverage. It is a tool the minority party can use to force some compromise.

The wall for permanent status for DACA was a fair deal. If Dems held out on that with actual resolve, they could have gotten it... and the GOP coule have gotten something for nothing via hostage taking.

But ultimately saving the Dreamers is a necessity.

champstark for congress

This is more of a punt than a cave. Nothing has changed, it is only 3 weeks. A good thing that has come of this is Graham going at Miller/Cotton for being extremists and Trump looking completely invisible in the process.

Romney, McCain, Graham, GWB all would do DACA for nothing straight up. Why would you trade a wall for it?

I mean seriously how hard is it to give them nothing? They sure as hell wouldn't be giving us anything (and haven't!).

No one in America really cares about bipartisanship. No one votes for people because "well X just always compromises and knows how to get **** done, so I gotta vote for him over Y partisan lackey." NO ONE VOTES FOR THIS. THERE IS NO POINT IN DOING IT.

Shut it all down until they give in on immigration and CHIP. It really isn't hard.

What should the Dems have done? This seems pretty bad. Why not stick to the plan and call out the GOP for being heartless pieces of **** for using the health care of American children as a bargaining chip?

I guess right now the Dems are just delaying what will inevitably be another government shutdown in the future.

Because all of those losers are terrible negotiators?

I'd give them nothing personally, but working with a caucus full of pansies I could have lived with a symbolic wall we could symbolically smash to pieces in 2021.

John Kelly and Trump's DHS both said that the wall is a waste of money. When people ask why our government is acting so vile and amoral, the simple answer is that people like you want it to be and there are just barely enough of you to get your way for now.

Deporting 600,000 Dreamers is going to be terrible for Republicans. These aren't dudes living 10 to an apartment doing roof tear offs. They are in our schools, have jobs, Facebook accounts... huge chain reaction.

Democrats are advised by The Third Way which is a centrist organization that encourages compromise as the most effective means of governing. So that's something built into the Democrats.

Truth is that the game has changed. Now is the time for them to stick to their guns and not give in. I suppose the logic they're using is that they'll allow the Republicans to shoot themselves in the foot by failing to get anything going in saving DACA. Of course their mistake is believing that Republicans actually want Dreamers here. The idea of having ICE as America's Stasi running about kicking down doors and forcefully removing immigrants from America gives Trump and the GOP a massive erection.

Naive. They aren’t going to round them all up in an open camp for heartwrenching photographs. They are going to slowly disappear them one by one like this guy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtm...arly-40-years/

Just like with this story, most people will sip their coffee, shake their heads and move on with their day when they hear or read the occasional similar story about a DREAMer. While the renodocs jerk off to them.

The only way to stop reno’s sick and twisted fantasies from coming true is to vote every last one of these *******s out of power.

Because that's not how this works. It's not enough to just have the votes. Unless you have both Ryan and McConnell on board you're never going to even get a vote on the issues you care about.

And the Republicans are much more scared of being primaried by their base at this point then of losing the general election. Ryan knows he could pass all sorts of stuff with just a token move to the left where centrist Republicans and Democrats would give him the votes. But he also knows that strategy kills his political future.