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That is something Congress needs to look at. In normal times it makes sense to agree to terms with the president to make sure it gets signed. However nobody knows what Trump would actually do when presented a bill to sign. Seems crazy, for better or worse, not just to pass whatever and put it on his desk in front of him. It is unlikely Miller and Kelly could overcome Trump’s instincts for a quick win by signing something before him.

01-21-2018 , 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

just make Trump dictator if your strategy is to let him take random hostages and then meet his demands to save the hostage. this might be the single worst post in the history of the politics board.

Read allthecheese's link up thread and see if you feel quite so strongly.

It's risky and maybe it can't be agreed to anyway but it might be the best outcome we can hope for.

01-22-2018 , 01:50 AM

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Read allthecheese's link up thread and see if you feel quite so strongly.

It's risky and maybe it can't be agreed to anyway but it might be the best outcome we can hope for.

Well, there's no hope, apparently. Schumer offered him the wall already, on Friday. He said yes, then changed his mind and said no. JFC. This ****ing ******. How has nobody locked him and his idiot staff of deplorables in a closet somewhere while the adults talk? Here's Schumer laying it out; his frustration is palpable.

01-22-2018 , 02:22 AM

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Well yes, I had seen that. However

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Mulvaney on Sunday charged that Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) offered authorization, not appropriated funding, for the wall. He alleged that Schumer didn't intend to deliver his promise.

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-t...l-what-does-it

Assuming this isn't bs, there might be a chance here for Trump to show his skill as a negotiator. He can demand a guarantee he actually gets his wall money. Schumer can then concede, and voilà, Trump has actually done a deal. But Trump is a loose ****ing cannon and Miller/Kelly are screaming "point it at the deck!" So can it happen? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

01-22-2018 , 02:28 AM

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(didnt read or watch)

omg another obama shutdown, and hes not even president anymore.

impeach

01-22-2018 , 02:44 AM

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Well yes, I had seen that. However

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-t...l-what-does-it

Assuming this isn't bs, there might be a chance here for Trump to show his skill as a negotiator. He can demand a guarantee he actually gets his wall money. Schumer can then concede, and voilà, Trump has actually done a deal. But Trump is a loose ****ing cannon and Miller/Kelly are screaming "point it at the deck!" So can it happen? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did you miss the end of the article where Schumer says Mulvaney is lying? It's he said he said, but if I have to pick the lie between what Mulvaney says on Fox News versus what Schumer says on the Senate floor, I'm snap taking Mulvaney as the liar.

01-22-2018 , 03:03 AM

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Yeah, l missed that. Lol me. I saw Mulvaney say it on tv this morning. The article was a convenient reference. So it looks like waaf, then.

But wait! There is a hint of a sharp drop in the latest Trump 538 approval numbers. If that happens maybe Trump gets religion.

01-22-2018 , 05:17 AM

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Not really seeing how the shutdown ends without Dems caving like George McFly, because the even lower probability event is Nazis capitulating from their demand of a white ethno-state in a humiliating public defeat.

01-22-2018 , 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by uDevil

Read allthecheese's link up thread and see if you feel quite so strongly.

It's risky and maybe it can't be agreed to anyway but it might be the best outcome we can hope for.

The republicans still get a third of the Hispanic vote. If they want to lockout the dreamers, go for it. Start locking children crossing the border in cells, go for it. If the republicans want to run in 2018 on Nazism, go for it.

Let them run on these policies. Our voter turnout will be huge. We can bring back the dreamers and impeach Trump. Look how far Trump is from GWB on immigration.

You can’t negotiate based off of what Steven Miller plans to implement. **** him. Call them nazis and win the next election instead.

01-22-2018 , 09:16 AM

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what is the reasoning why McConnell blocked the vote to fund the military?

01-22-2018 , 09:25 AM

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I just assume because they know they can lie and say Democrats are stopping the military from getting paid.

01-22-2018 , 09:27 AM

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Strategically it’s also bad for republicans. Because it sets a precedent that popular bills can be passed right now. Which is basically exactly what the democrats want.

01-22-2018 , 10:19 AM

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Why does a continuing resolution require 60 votes?

01-22-2018 , 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow

Why does a continuing resolution require 60 votes?

Filibuster

01-22-2018 , 11:50 AM

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Why does a continuing resolution require 60 votes?

I don't think a clean one does, but the bill the House sent over was anything but clean.

01-22-2018 , 11:54 AM

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Filibuster

I'm trying to understand how you can pass a tax bill with 50 votes, but funding the govt takes 60.

01-22-2018 , 11:56 AM

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Even Democrats aren't stupid enough to accept Turtleface ****wad's "intention" to raise DACA, right? RIGHT?

01-22-2018 , 12:05 PM

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Something something budget reconciliation. I don't know the ins and outs, but reconciliation votes only require a simple majority, and that's how they passed the tax bill.

01-22-2018 , 12:05 PM

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I'm trying to understand how you can pass a tax bill with 50 votes, but funding the govt takes 60.

The tax bill was passed using the budget reconciliation mechanic, which essentially allows one bill per year to avoid the filibuster, subject to a bunch of limitations.

01-22-2018 , 12:07 PM

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Turtle saying the bill must be passed w/o DACA and then after that, they can talk about DACA.

These guys obv just gonna let the gov shut down til the Dems eventually cave.

01-22-2018 , 12:25 PM

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Dems gonna cave lol

01-22-2018 , 12:26 PM

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what is the reasoning why McConnell blocked the vote to fund the military?

It was probably this:

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

I just assume because they know they can lie and say Democrats are stopping the military from getting paid.

But that strategy is backfiring because the video of him blocking the bill is everywhere.

01-22-2018 , 12:31 PM

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But that strategy is backfiring because the video of him blocking the bill is everywhere.

Is it actually everywhere or is it just the places where people that already support Dems are voting?

If Fox shows the video, then I'll concede its backfiring. But the base aint seeing that video, and the few people that do see it will just assume that its fake news and Democrats are lying about what the video shows.