The GOP war on voting - Page 77 - Politics and Economics

It's like anti-terrorism legislation, it's not really possible to evaluate precisely. It's like "no-one's hijacked a plane using this method, but they could, and doing this would prevent it". If no-one hijacks a plane, well, did the prevention method work? Maybe.

Does this measure prevent millions of law abiding citizens from flying each year? No? Then they are not the least bit analogous.

04-29-2014 , 04:58 PM

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spanktehbadwookie

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Another one bites the dust:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ority-voters-1

In related news, I received my voter registration/ polling location postcard and it fails to mention Alabama's voter ID law is now in effect. Now why would that important detail be omitted?

04-29-2014 , 06:14 PM

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From the link.

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Assistant Wisconsin Attorney General Clayton Kawski countered that the case was about both the right to vote and the state’s right to prevent voter fraud.

“Picture IDs will deter voter impersonation fraud if not prevent it,” Kawski told the judge.

“The defendants could not point to a single instance of known voter impersonation occurring in Wisconsin at any time in the recent past,” Adelman said in his ruling.

04-29-2014 , 09:50 PM

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Let's full quote this thing:

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There is no way to determine exactly how many people Act 23 will prevent or deter from voting without considering the individual circumstances of each of the 300,000 plus citizens who lack an ID,” U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman wrote in his 70-page ruling. “But no matter how imprecise my estimate may be, it is absolutely clear that Act 23 will prevent more legitimate votes from being cast than fraudulent votes …

Because virtually no voter impersonation occurs in Wisconsin and it is exceedingly unlikely that voter impersonation will become a problem in Wisconsin in the foreseeable future, this particular state interest has very little weight.

The defendants could not point to a single instance of known voter impersonation occurring in Wisconsin at any time in the recent past.

I think what maybe could have tipped the scales for the GOP to help win this case was this forum's posters and their litany of services to offer poors to help get their IDs. But what if we agreed to have a local kid drive to poor people's neighborhood on their bike and ride the poors to the DMV on their pegs to get their IDs? Will busybody activist judges let us have voter IDs then?

04-30-2014 , 12:21 AM

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rjoefish

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Inso0 must be mad.

Comments deliver lol

04-30-2014 , 12:29 AM

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only by your imagination

04-30-2014 , 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

Comments deliver lol

should not have looked. wisconsin always brings the lulz.

05-09-2014 , 10:39 PM

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Rand Paul now admitting voter ID is transparently racist.

05-09-2014 , 10:50 PM

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rjoefish

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http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/0...ending-people/

05-11-2014 , 07:06 PM

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Can someone explain to me how asking for an ID to vote is racist? I don't really see evidence that there is any significant voter fraud going on right now, so I don't see the point of the law, but how is asking for an ID going to disenfranchise anyone? I mean, everyone gets carded to drink alcohol but that doesn't stop black people from buying beer any more than it stops white people...

05-11-2014 , 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SINKIST

Republican leadership is drumming up the issue specifically to lower minority voting under the guise of plausible deniability.

05-11-2014 , 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SINKIST

Can someone explain to me how asking for an ID to vote is racist? I don't really see evidence that there is any significant voter fraud going on right now, so I don't see the point of the law, but how is asking for an ID going to disenfranchise anyone? I mean, everyone gets carded to drink alcohol but that doesn't stop black people from buying beer any more than it stops white people...

Minorities lack ID at higher rates than white people. You might say "well can't we get them IDs?" and yet these laws don't have any provisions to actually make that happen. And then you might say "well that sounds fishy" and then you'd be on to something!

05-11-2014 , 11:28 PM

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I don't know if it's racist, so much as classist. Why the attitude is to check for fraud opposed to encouraging voting (and recognizing fraud rarely occurs), I don't know.

05-12-2014 , 12:11 AM

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rjoefish

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lol of course you know

05-12-2014 , 02:34 AM

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poppoppoq

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the first and only time I ever voted I was carded (2004). yep cool story

05-12-2014 , 11:20 AM

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And if you didn't have your id on you or didn't have one you would've...

[ ] been able to vote?
[ ] been unable to vote?

05-12-2014 , 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NHA

I don't know if it's racist, so much as classist. Why the attitude is to check for fraud opposed to encouraging voting (and recognizing fraud rarely occurs), I don't know.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooool

Spoiler:

05-12-2014 , 07:54 PM

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To be fair, I'm sure the GOP would still push for voter ID if it only disenfranchised poor white democrats.

05-12-2014 , 08:10 PM

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I'm not so sure about that. http://www.kentucky.com/2014/01/20/3...ey-county.html

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She is one of the more than 47 million Americans who receive food stamps, all of whom saw their allotment drop Nov. 1 as a temporary benefit from the 2009 economic stimulus ran out. Few places feel the difference as profoundly as Owsley County, an overwhelmingly white and Republican area whose own representative in Congress voted against renewing the benefit.

They need these poor people voting wildly against their best interests, wouldn't want to disenfranchise them.

05-12-2014 , 09:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NHA

I don't know if it's racist, so much as classist. Why the attitude is to check for fraud opposed to encouraging voting (and recognizing fraud rarely occurs), I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Riverman

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooool

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reading... it's hard.

05-22-2014 , 03:31 PM

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Arkansas voter ID law causes chaos and confusion (state administrators shrug)

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/arkansas-...w-causes-chaos

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Among the problems reported from Tuesday: poll workers quizzing voters on their personal information, including address and birthdate, after being shown ID, and using electronic card strip readers to verify ID-both of which go far beyond what the law allows. Some voters without proper ID are said to have been wrongly denied provisional ballots. And large numbers of absentee ballots also are in danger of not being counted, thanks to the ID law.

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On Wednesday morning, the Arkansas Times published written accounts from seven different voters of being asked for information after presenting their ID. "I was quizzed about my name, address and birthdate while the election volunteer held my license where I couldn't see it," wrote one voter.

Another voter reported being told by a poll worker, after presenting several forms of ID: "All I want is the driver's license, because my machine reads the bar code." Dickson said she, too, had heard from voters about polling places using machines to read ID bar codes.

"While most voters are OK with showing their ID, the way that this was carried out was, it appears, not only unlawful but incredibly offensive," Dickson said.

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Clay said he had spoken to one county involved, which assured him that it had trained its poll workers correctly. So was there a plan to investigate further?

"No plan at the moment," said Clay, adding that unless the board received complaints from voters or from county clerks on voters' behalf, there wasn't much it could do.

I am shocked that this could have happened. Who could have seen this?

05-22-2014 , 06:15 PM

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the anti gummint crowd is in a pickle with this one - i anticipate theyll just pretend it didn't happen

05-22-2014 , 11:06 PM

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Yeah but they have virtually no voting fraud, so chalk up another win for Voter ID.

05-23-2014 , 01:11 AM

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I think it's ironic there are more instances of abuse of the voter ID mandate than there are of voter fraud that would be fixed by voter ID. I guess it's a total coincidence though.

05-23-2014 , 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Effen

the anti gummint crowd is in a pickle with this one - i anticipate theyll just pretend it didn't happen

Oh they thread this needle all the time. Libertarian paradise without the undignified ID checking is the expected privilege of white people. Blacks have always had to have "the ID, wait no not that one, the one with the right bar code" or whatever the in-vogue equivalent hurdle to jump over to get to vote is at the time. You have to remember when your average libertarian is mouth breathing about IDs, they just mean its shameful for white people to have to produce their papers. Blacks better have their ****ing papers in order if they want to vote. Well, the paperwork of course, but also only if they own property and their grandfather could also vote and they pay the poll tax, twas ever thus.

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