You also drive on roads, are protected from foreign invaders, will eventually receive Social Security, breathe cleaner air, don't have to worry that the meat you get from the grocery store is rancid, and in all likelihood got a free primary education.

Because if there's one place the Democrats really need to turn to voter fraud to win an election, it's San Francisco.

I'm much more interested in seeing you make a thread about dumpster diving in my hometown tbh. Where'd you find them? Is there a lot of "treasure" in that area?

Yes I understand, it's complicated.

DopeFiend, we hardly knew ye.

LOL gone looking for it. The only controls are you give a name, you get a ballot. How do you do you catch anyone.

Is it your contention no one is voting illegally?

If you read my post, you can actually see what my contention is.

But no, those are not the only controls.

1. You have to give a name and an address. You have to go to the right precinct.
2. You have to sign. That signature can be cross-referenced with past signatures, and with the voter registration card.
3. That person you're impersonating has to not show up to vote and raise hell.

And yes, Republicans have gone through considerable effort to look for vote fraud. That is how we know how much vote fraud is going on.

4. The person fraudulently posing as someone they aren't risks like a felony conviction and jail so that they can cast 1 extra vote.

Wait, that's not how you catch someone, it's just a reason why trying to influence an election like that is completely and utterly ******ed and people worried that's how elections are stolen are completely and utterly ******ed by extension.

Not just "jail." We're talking Federal PMITA prison.

Like I care a decent amount about politics and I think it's a huge PITA to vote and I can barely be bothered to cast the one vote I'm entitled to. Who the **** would bother to do it twice? And then think that would effectively change the outcome? And people are going to waste a bunch of time and gas money and **** driving poll to poll, not to mention finding voters to fraudulently pose as? THIS SCHEME TAKES INCREDIBLE TIME AND MONEY AND HAS NO EFFECT. IT MAKES NO SENSE.

I think this is like an extension of the right-wingers bizarro world beliefs that terrorists are capable of super-villainous powers. Right-wingers perceived enemies have incredible and unknowable power to influence events. That O'Keefe quote is money. No one on the right is quite sure how the Democrat imposter voters are stealing elections by pretending to be other people, it sort of doesn't make sense, I mean why would anyone try to steal an election like that? WE'RE NOT SURE, BUT IT'S A BIG PROBLEM GUISE they say.

AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POOR BLACKS ARE DOING THIS ALL THE TIME

AND NO ONE CAN EVER CATCH THEM DOING IT SOMEHOW

BUT DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT, VOTER IDS NOW

THIS IS WHAT REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

You know, now that I think about it, this may be part of the reason why the liberal argument, "It takes time to get an ID. That is especially rough for poor people," falls on deaf ears. They are already convinced that poor people will commit several hours on a Tuesday to cast, like, what, 5 votes at the risk of PMITA prison time? If they're willing to endure that to vote, then obviously they would be willing to suck up a trip to the DMV.

I think its a really safe bet than in 2 years, maybe 4 at the next presidential, the story of the third party that was hired by Republicans to register voters will be woven into the fabric of how vote fraud is happening all the time. Except by then it will either be a progressive organisation, maybe hired by Democrats but certainly not hired by Republicans. Also despite being caught weeks before the election and the election wasnt compromised, by then it will have been part of why Obama won Florida despite something something Israel.

I dunno -- maybe we can have a resident right-winger explain this for us, top to bottom:

Random poor lecherous losers who can't hold down a job and are government welfare cheese eaters are, incredibly, also amazingly adept at gaming the voting system and like a critical mass of these bums and criminals can manage to find huge amounts of registered voters that they successfully impersonate, and also, the actual registered voters never shows up at the polls to cry foul. In fact these criminals on welfare are so good, no one can ever find any evidence of it happening and no one ever gets caught doing it. And they do this in such high numbers that the quality of elections are in jeopardy and whites are disenfranchised as a result. So these cheese-eating bums are like expert vote thieves BUT ALSO, voter IDs are the magic panacea to stop this chicanery. Like these criminal ACORN types can totally pull the wool over everyone's eyes now, but the voter ID, that's the bullet here to put an end to this. These people sound incredibly ****ing talented, I mean SEIU and ACORN can pull this **** off now, AND NO ONE CAN CATCH THEM, do we really think voter IDs will work to save America's free and fair elections? It seems like there's some incredible super-villainy afoot here and our solution is a little simplistic, we should maybe talk about a Plan B.

EXPLAIN THIS TO ME, I AM CURIOUS, WILL SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR NEWSLETTER

I would say this is definite. The company will be brought up as evidence of voter fraud by right-wing media, and their political affiliation will just never be mentioned. People like my mom and my aunts and uncles will hear the story process it and never know the company is a Republican operative.

Dvaut, Wookie - voter ID laws aren't about actual voter fraud anymore. We've moved on from that. It's about "restoring confidence in the system" now.

ITS COMMON SENSE

So the only real security is that a person can not find a name and address of someone who does not vote. Really do you believe they cross reference anything or that it would show conclusively of anything?

Can you show one case ever of where someone has been caught doing what you describe on purpose or in any kind of organized effort? What happens if the person shows up later to vote and you wind up in federal prison? Really worth it? Imagine the stink if this was uncovered just once. It would be like 100 times as explosive as ACORN.

Do you realize how hard and long the news sources you watch have been looking for organized voter impersonation and yet they have found absolutely nothing?

(And here's where we pivot back to it being about the "perception of fraud".)

If you actually read this thread and the citations from liberals contained therein you would know that crossreferencing happens. That's how some people who committed vote fraud were caught.

There is a reason just about no one shows up in person to cast false votes, instead using early voting ballots or just basic ballot stuffing literally or electronically depending who is committing the fraud. That is why voter ID will achieve nothing.

White people have names like Lenny, black people have names like Carl.

God dammit please get a blog and do this for real already.

First time I voted here in NM, in my little busto town, I went to the polling station with my voter registration and ID and was surprised that when I went to the table, no one asked me for ****. I was told to "sign here", no address, no ID, nothing. Just signed my name, which is basically unreadable, and went into the booth with my ballot. I know in other states where I've lived there was more to the process. In the past I've had to show ID and they would look for my name on a huge printout/sign-in sheet. Here there was nothing, just sign my name on a blank form. I wonder how they would even check these things, if they can even read my signature, etc? Maybe it was just a lol small town thing where they use the honor system and everybody knows everybody, idk.