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10-10-2018 , 05:04 PM
Georgia SoS is sitting on 53k registrations, overwhelmingly African American.

THE SOUTH
10-11-2018 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
Georgia SoS is sitting on 53k registrations, overwhelmingly African American.

THE SOUTH
I sent my registration by mail, postmarked on the deadline day (2 days ago). I’m very curious to see what happens to it. It’s laughable that registrations go to the office of the GOP candidate for governor.
10-11-2018 , 12:05 PM
ya georgia is a mess. there is so much wrong with this.

https://www.wabe.org/voting-rights-b...overnors-race/

this might be the most amazing. dude who is running is in charge of who can vote.

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Kemp, who’s also the Republican candidate for governor, is in charge of elections and voter registration in Georgia.
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But through a process that Kemp calls voter roll maintenance and his opponents call voter roll purges, Kemp’s office has cancelled over 1.4 million voter registrations since 2012. Nearly 670,000 registrations were cancelled in 2017 alone.
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Appling-Nunez’s application is one of over 53,000 sitting on hold with Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp’s office. And unlike Appling-Nunez, many people on that list — which is predominantly black, according to an analysis by The Associated Press — may not even know their voter registration has been held up.
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Georgia’s population is approximately 32 percent black, according to the U.S. Census, but the list of voter registrations on hold with Kemp’s office is nearly 70 percent black.
this country is a complete joke. I am with einbert at this point. tear it all down.
10-11-2018 , 10:12 PM
And 460k purged in Indiana, many in violation of court order.

They’re doing it in plain sight.
10-11-2018 , 11:02 PM
Democrat field director gets arrested in Texas

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...te-as-democrat

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By this time, Aronowitz is walking out of the courthouse with his mission accomplished when he’s stopped by a county sheriff’s deputy who asks who he is and what he’s doing. Soon enough Aronowitz is surrounded by a court bailiff, a sheriff’s deputy and a city police officer. Aronowitz asks whether he is free to go or whether he’s under arrest. He also calls the candidate, Mike Siegel, who’s also a civil rights attorney. So Siegel is listening to the conversation and advising Aronowitz what to do as he’s being questioned and not allowed to leave.

Siegel didn’t say this to me in so many words. But from his description of the back and forth, it seems like that the law enforcement officers weren’t happy with Aronowitz but weren’t clear what exactly they could charge him with or if they could arrest him. After Aronowitz explained what he was at the courthouse to do and then identified himself, one of the officers asked Aronowitz which party his candidate was with.

Aronowitz told them Siegel was a Democrat. A couple minutes later the phone went dead and Aronowitz was placed under arrest for what he was told was “48 hour investigative detention.”
10-11-2018 , 11:12 PM
I just read that whole story but still don't understand what the guy who was arrested actually was doing there.
10-11-2018 , 11:13 PM
It sounds like he was dropping off a document that was a response to whatever voting rules the county was making
10-11-2018 , 11:42 PM
10-11-2018 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
It sounds like he was dropping off a document that was a response to whatever voting rules the county was making
How long does it take to drop off a document though? It sounds like he was done wrong, but hard to tell how wrong without knowing more details. Possibly he was trying to get arrested as a protest / to prove a point?
10-12-2018 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
How long does it take to drop off a document though? It sounds like he was done wrong, but hard to tell how wrong without knowing more details. Possibly he was trying to get arrested as a protest / to prove a point?
Not long if guess. The article mentions the source of the problems. He took a photo of himself in the courthouse and a clerk got upset at either having her photo taken or just a photo being taken in the courthouse. From there it's just simple police harassment.

They probably didn't set out to arrest a Democrat they just wanted to harass/"get to the bottom of it" a guy who upset their friend and when he said Democrat it probably set them off further and arrested him under flimsy pretext.

Usually if you want to be arrested to make a point you're arrested for something substantial. Being arrested for "failure to identity yourself to a police office" isn't that.
10-12-2018 , 07:46 AM
Here's a good summary of Brian Kemp's history of voter suppression in Georgia.


https://www.theroot.com/the-wizard-o...ist-1829696413
10-12-2018 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
How long does it take to drop off a document though? It sounds like he was done wrong, but hard to tell how wrong without knowing more details. Possibly he was trying to get arrested as a protest / to prove a point?
yes, very hard to tell if he was done wrong. like, how could you ever know? gotta side with the gov here ya know. due process for the authorities.
10-12-2018 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
yes, very hard to tell if he was done wrong. like, how could you ever know? gotta side with the gov here ya know. due process for the authorities.


I guess it shouldn't by now, but it still amazes me when idiots like this deliberately misinterpret posts.

I think it was pretty clear that I don't think people should be arrested for their party affiliations, or even for loitering in a courthouse. But there are some bad laws, and people sometimes deliberately try to get themselves arrested to get publicity and highlight the absurdity of those laws. Ever hear of the civil rights movement? Black people going and sitting in restaurants in the south were actually breaking the local laws, and they knew they would almost certainly get arrested, and very likely get physically abused as well. My saying "they broke the law" in this context doesn't mean I support the unfair law, it's just stating a fact.

This kind of thing may or may not have been what happened here; this has piqued my curiosity about it, but that article was so poorly written that I still don't really know exactly what happened.
10-12-2018 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I just read that whole story but still don't understand what the guy who was arrested actually was doing there.

The county has a ****ty history of rules when it comes to college students (80+ percent African-American) voting. Some new ****ty rules were put in place this year. The Democratic candidate had a solution, so the field director delivered a letter with the proposal to the county courthouse. He took a picture of himself delivering it as proof that it was done (presumably so the county couldn't say they never got the letter).


He then got arrested for no reason. They also asked him what party his candidate was from before they arrested him.
10-12-2018 , 01:20 PM
I am shocked, shocked, that conservatives are using the power of state violence to suppress any kind of black political organizing. Gotta love "democracy." PS google "canvassing while black." Yup it's a thing, people get the cops called on them constantly and are frequently arrested just for trying to knock on people's doors, talk to them and hand out pamphlets in a country that claims to be a democratic republic. SMOKE SHOW.
10-12-2018 , 01:47 PM
Hmm, well unless there is a law against taking unauthorized photos of the inside of the courthouse, it appears on the face that he did nothing against the rules, although you never really know exactly what happened when it's one person's testimony against another (and when one of those two is a police officer it usually leans towards the officer). But even if that was not the intention, I hope this gets some negative publicity for the voting policies. Assuming the arrested individual was bailed out by the next day and is never convicted of anything (which I imagine is most likely), this could end up being a positive event for the movement to improve voting rights.
10-12-2018 , 01:51 PM
They kidnapped him and kept him in a cage for at least a day for organizing while black.
10-12-2018 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
They kidnapped him and kept him in a cage for at least a day for organizing while black.

If you're talking about the guy who delivered the letter and took a photo as proof, he's white.


But obviously being harassed/arrested for "[blank] while black" is a problem. Just not in this case.
10-12-2018 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dlk9s
If you're talking about the guy who delivered the letter and took a photo as proof, he's white.


But obviously being harassed/arrested for "[blank] while black" is a problem. Just not in this case.
My mistake, thanks for the correction.
10-12-2018 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
The artificial cap renders the concept of "proportional representation" laughable because population growth isn't a zero-sum game, and the votes of reps in smaller districts are obviously weighted heavier than those from larger ones. But there are other good reasons for increasing the number of districts. Most notably, reps of smaller districts tend to be more responsive to the constituency than reps whose districts comprise millions of people.
not following this--the population growth census to census--there are districts with millions of people?

Still think the Senate with its 2 senators per state is a much bigger issue.
10-13-2018 , 06:27 PM
10-16-2018 , 03:34 PM
If anyone ever argues that voter ID is not an explicitly racist attempt to disenfranchise minorities, just link them to this Chris Hayes podcast interview. There is no other legitimate justification for ID/"exact name" matching, required address, etc other than minority voter suppression.

Voter Suppression Past and Present with Carol Anderson
https://art19.com/shows/why-is-this-...2-916679994e5e
10-16-2018 , 03:37 PM
The first item on the next Dem president's agenda should be a federal law criminalizing laws that have the effect of suppressing voter participation. Make it a one-way rachet.

It pisses me off that these officials continually lose in court and are not then thrown in jail.

Vote once under the wrong name: three years.
Prevent 10k legitimate votes: nothing.
10-16-2018 , 06:53 PM
That pod episode was great today. I read the book as well, I would say it’s more for people that know nothing about it coming in but still good. I learned a few things from the book.

For instance I did not know that the court case that shredded the voting rights act was based in Shelby county Alabama, my hometown and current place of residence. Feelsbadman

I believe they cut it up based on the fact that it’s discriminatory against certain states ? I would say why don’t we just pass a version that requires any law in any state that would make it harder to vote at least have to go through the VRA approval process? That way it’s not discriminatory against those states and liberal states wouldn’t be trying to pass anything that makes it harder anyways.
10-16-2018 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
The first item on the next Dem president's agenda should be a federal law criminalizing laws that have the effect of suppressing voter participation. Make it a one-way rachet.

It pisses me off that these officials continually lose in court and are not then thrown in jail.

Vote once under the wrong name: three years.
Prevent 10k legitimate votes: nothing.
Roberts will leap off the bench to kill it.

      
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