Yup. And when I tell her 3rd trimester abortions never happen she doesn't want to hear it. And then she posts this **** on FB:



And when I send her the snopes link that this is a porcelain doll and real fetuses at 12 weeks look nothing like this, of course she doesn't care. (Real fetus at 12 weeks looks like a mutant baby bird or something.)

But hey at least it got her to stop bugging me to call her for a few weeks.

Honestly though I think on some level it's just a fallback excuse to keep voting Republican.

I find the more compelling argument to be that we don't compel people to e.g. donate blood, even if we know that not doing so would result in the death of another person. It's regrettable if they don't want to, but forcibly stealing their blood and violating their bodily autonomy is barbarism.

Exactly. If the thing can't live outside the womb it's not the mother's obligation to keep it alive. 100 years ago this was pretty much everyone's cutoff point - the quickening - where the fetus is viable outside the womb. I have zero doubt that if my Mom had lived then she'd be fine with putting the line there. But try telling here that lol.

Also if I thought there was any chance Democrats could compromise at something like 7 months and be done with the issue I might be for it. But Republicans would just continue to use abortion as a wedge issue - either to get more restrictions, or to scare people that full abortion is coming back. So there's absolutely no point compromising.

Pretty sure that historical standards of the quickening was just when mom could feel it, and there is no way a fetus is actually viable at that point, and they even more certainly weren't 100 years ago.

Ah - nevermind

Two questions:

1. What happens when science creates incubators that work from day one?

2. if somehow Republicans were willing to acquiesce on all your other issues in return for outlawing all abortions, would you go for it?

I would vote Saddam Hussein's corpse into power if I thought that it would take meaningful action on climate change.

1. Viable outside the womb = could potentially live w/o heroic measures. Have a big panel and they'll end up picking some date around 7 months-ish.

2. Yes. But then again I'm not a woman.

Much more likely we get to keep abortions legal for giving Republicans every thing else they want.

100% yes (though also not a woman).

If Republicans (and Democrats, for that matter) TRULY acquiesced on ALL other issues, the demand/need for abortions would decrease by a factor of about 1,000.

That's what I was thinking. No more abortion in exchange for nationwide, comprehensive sex-ed plus free birth control for all women starting in 7th-8th grade might be a decent trade off. Also not a woman.

I'd have a kid floating around out there right now if it wasn't for abortion. I told her I was willing to consider keeping it. But she was clear from the beginning what would happen if she got pregnant and I said ok. Probably my one chance to be a father. Bums me out but I try not to think about it too much. Would I have any right to the kid if she had to put it up for adoption? I guess I get second dibs or something.

My mom would probably keel over if she ever found out about this.

You could veto an adoption.

I just don't see what the big deal is to shut out 30k legal voters in order to block 5 (five) illegal voters.

Legal voters can always vote. Period. Nothing can stop them. All GOP efforts are aimed at place like Chicago allowing non resident aliens to vote with an ID anyone can get and yet not be an actual citizen. We will ignore the **** show that is CA

Nothing is Free. Someone has to always pay. Why the **** should I pay for birth control or abortions or sex changes or hormone treatments?

Cite or just a bunch of stuff you made up in your head?

All count as health care, imo, and I believe in universal health care on both moral and utilitarian grounds.

To keep this somewhat on topic I'll say that Kobach may be the biggest scumbag in the GOP which puts him high in the running worldwide.

Because the woman you're sticking your boner into subsidized the insurance-covered viagra that you needed to achieve it.

More interestingly, what made you decide to come in to politics today and post really dumb falsehoods about every issue you can imagine?

Can we ever be dissuaded from engaging idiot trolls who will never change their minds on anything and just want to upset libtards? Hint: if you respond, it’s working!

How about:

In election years every person eligible to vote automatically gets sent a voter card well in advance of election day. When voting show the voter card and ID at your designated local polling place. If you don't have an ID someone you know can vouch for you and they show their ID.

To vote in the national parliament election you need citizenship but for local municipal elections you need only to have been living in the municipality for at least three consecutive years, same goes for elections to the local health care governing body.

Elections are held on Sundays where polling places are open 8 am 'til 8pm and ample opportunity is given to vote ahead of time by visiting any of a number of pre-election day polling places. Nationwide every party with at least 4 % of the total vote is given a proportional number of seats in (the one chamber) parliament.

Voter turnout in elections to the national parliament:

Lowest: 2002 = 80.1 %
Highest: 1976 = 91.8 %
Latest: 2014 = 85.8 %

I would also have a 5 year old or so right now. I actually wanted to keep it. I also understood it wasn't my decision.

You're a part of ****ing society. That's why.

Only date pro-choice girls.

I saw a mother today struggling on the streets of Antigua with her 6' tall 16-ish-year-old barely verbal autistic son. He was yelling "COHH HOHH" which I think was "GO HOME" and slapping himself on the back of the head. God bless that woman, I don't think I could do it.

This is stuff I tell myself could have happened. Maybe it wasn't meant to be.