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02-07-2018 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
If you can't keep your own home in order, why should we as a society make it easier for you to get the keys to the entire neighborhood?
Hahahaha he lets the mask slip so easily, what is a right to vote if it means that the poor slobs have the same say that he does?
02-07-2018 , 01:55 PM
If you can't even manage to put on a decent pair of culottes you have no business voting.
02-07-2018 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Then maybe it says something about your policies as a party if your tried and true base of support is actively suppressed from voting if they have to overcome the onerous hurdle of obtaining proof of identity, especially when said party advertises that process as "free and easy."

The fact that joining the rest of the modern world in requiring ID to vote will result in fewer votes cast for democrats is just an unfortunate side-effect of the spectacular ****show that has been going on for decades in these overwhelmingly Democrat-represented communities.

If you can't keep your own home in order, why should we as a society make it easier for you to get the keys to the entire neighborhood?
This is transparent bad faith trolling
02-07-2018 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Are you in favor of "joining the rest of the modern world" with regard to health care, mandatory paid leave and other things like that?
Increasingly so, but for selfish reasons. My healthcare costs increased by almost 800% after my wife quit her job with that sweet sweet heavily subsidized government health plan.

Turns out Obamacare really sucks.
02-07-2018 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Yeah, you can draw a straight line through history from poll taxes to Jim Crow and the Voting Rights Act to Alabama passing an ID law and trying to close DMV offices in majority-black areas (this just happened), but Inso0 is so gullible* that he's like "herp derp they say it's about election security and I see no reason not to believe them!"


*but like Huehue says, it's actually not gullibility - he's a deplorable scumbag who desires this outcome but knows he can't say that out loud, so instead he's just perfectly willing to debase himself on this forum and pretend he's so ****ing stupid that he really believes this stuff
Because he doesn't have the courage of his convictions.
02-07-2018 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Because he doesn't have the courage of his convictions.
Get off your high horse. Nothing of consequence gets done in politics from a purely altruistic standpoint.
02-07-2018 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Get off your high horse.
Being a deplorable is hard, you guys, stop pretending you're better
02-07-2018 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Get off your high horse. Nothing of consequence gets done in politics from a purely altruistic standpoint.
So why bother with the facade of voter fraud? Of concern about electoral integrity? Why are you pretending that you care about anything but supressing Dem votes?
02-07-2018 , 02:48 PM
Keep engaging insooooooooo he'll come around any moment now!
02-07-2018 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
So why bother with the facade of voter fraud? Of concern about electoral integrity? Why are you pretending that you care about anything but supressing Dem votes?
He told you why. Because lying about his intentions will better help him accomplish his goals. Get off your high horse.
02-07-2018 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
What you're picking up on ITT is the 2p2 old guard not understanding that US voting rules are quite lax when compared to the rest of the first world.
What you're not getting is that most/all of us would snap call an offer to implement federal voter ID laws in conjunction with automatic voter registration at the age of 18 and universal early voting/absentee voting.

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Originally Posted by Inso0
when said party advertises that process as "free and easy."
You're taking that tweet way out of context. The Dems as a party aren't saying the process is free and easy, and it should be that way. They're trying to convince people to register through a process that is more onerous than it should be, but, "C'mon Dems, the process is really hard but it's totally worth it, even in the midterm elections!" is not exactly a good rallying cry.

Of course, LOLDems, because the best strategy is to say, "Hey Dems, the GOP is trying to block you from voting because they think you're less important than their voters... How do you feel about that? Register today and make them hear your voice!"
02-07-2018 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
What you're not getting is that most/all of us would snap call an offer to implement federal voter ID laws in conjunction with automatic voter registration at the age of 18 and universal early voting/absentee voting.
As would I.

I don't actually buy the bull**** excuse about how poor people don't have an ID. I know the real reason to speak out against Voter ID is because it makes it harder for ineligible voters to cast a ballot. Deep down I think you guys probably do, too. I don't expect you to admit it because this is your cool kids club and safe space, but let's get real; registering to vote and obtaining an ID are two of the most basic and trivial tasks one must accomplish in life.
02-07-2018 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
As would I.

I don't actually buy the bull**** excuse about how poor people don't have an ID. I know the real reason to speak out against Voter ID is because it makes it harder for ineligible voters to cast a ballot. Deep down I think you guys probably do, too. I don't expect you to admit it because this is your cool kids club and safe space, but let's get real; registering to vote and obtaining an ID are two of the most basic and trivial tasks one must accomplish in life.
Cite for widespread ineligible voters or ban.
02-07-2018 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
What you're not getting is that most/all of us would snap call an offer to implement federal voter ID laws in conjunction with automatic voter registration at the age of 18 and universal early voting/absentee voting.
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Originally Posted by Inso0
As would I.
I don't believe you.

Why do you think the GOP in many states has specifically cut the time for early voting?
02-07-2018 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
I know the real reason to speak out against Voter ID is because it makes it harder for ineligible voters to cast a ballot.
Imagine being so dumb (and I'm not just talking about Inso0 here, this is the entire right wing/Fox News/etc) that you're convinced tons of illegal votes are being cast but fail so hard at ever finding real evidence. Like, his hero Kris Kobach is a great example:

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In fall 2010, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach held a press conference alleging that dead people were voting in the state. He singled out Alfred K. Brewer as a possible zombie voter. There was only one problem: Brewer was very much alive. The Wichita Eagle found the 78-year-old working in his front yard. “I don’t think this is heaven, not when I’m raking leaves,” Brewer said.
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From 1997 to 2010, according to The Wichita Eagle, there were only 11 confirmed cases of voter fraud in the state.

Such fraud has been just as rare nationally, even according to Kobach’s own data, noted The Washington Post:
Kansas’ secretary of state examined 84 million votes cast in 22 states to look for duplicate registrants. In the end 14 cases were referred for prosecution, representing 0.00000017 percent of the votes cast.
Kobach and the people leading this crusade are utterly incompetent at exposing what they're sure is a massive Soros-led fraud scheme, and Inso0 actually believes Democrats want to protect those 14 votes. LOL
02-07-2018 , 05:44 PM
But hey, props to Inso0 for finally admitting the real animus behind his terrible posting on this subject: he legitimately thinks Democrats want to protect illegal votes. It's a super idiotic position and one backed by no real-world evidence, but at least he's being honest for the first time ~ever.
02-07-2018 , 05:57 PM
Of course, voting suppression has been going on for years. However, recently the idiot lawmakers trying to suppress votes among minorities have become outright brazen.

I cannot remember the state (probably Texas or North Carolina), but in one recent court case the judges reviewed evidence that the state legislators essentially came right out and said what their intent was. They asked their staff to dig up information on the logistics of how minority voters vote. They then crafted and passed legislation specifically designed to eliminate or make more difficult those very logistics.

In 2018 I really didn't think this was news to anybody.
02-07-2018 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
But hey, props to Inso0 for finally admitting the real animus behind his terrible posting on this subject: he legitimately thinks Democrats want to protect illegal votes. It's a super idiotic position and one backed by no real-world evidence, but at least he's being honest for the first time ~ever.
Well, that but mainly he said he legitimately believes it is correct to implement some barriers to voting and those who do not meet those barriers do not deserve to vote. That the people who do not meet that are much more likely to be poorer, and in his honest opinion dumber and lazier, is a great feature that leads to superior governing.

And that those voters are more likely to vote D, just further shows the superiority of the R party which is filled with the wealthier, smarter and harder working people.

So think we are done here.
02-07-2018 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
I cannot remember the state (probably Texas or North Carolina), but in one recent court case the judges reviewed evidence that the state legislators essentially came right out and said what their intent was. They asked their staff to dig up information on the logistics of how minority voters vote. They then crafted and passed legislation specifically designed to eliminate or make more difficult those very logistics.
That was North Carolina, where federal judges found "the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist":

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The court said that in crafting the law, the Republican-controlled general assembly requested and received data on voters’ use of various voting practices by race. It found that African American voters in North Carolina are more likely to vote early, use same-day voter registration and straight-ticket voting. They were also disproportionately less likely to have an ID, more likely to cast a provisional ballot and take advantage of pre-registration.

Then, the court, said, lawmakers restricted all of these voting options, and further narrowed the list of acceptable voter IDs. “… [W]ith race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess.”
"we're just bringing voting into the modern world" hahahaha ****ing rubes
02-07-2018 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Cite for widespread ineligible voters or ban.
If you want to ban me, I just ask you make it exclusive to the Politics forum. I started reading the poker-related forums from time to time since I'm playing again and I'd rather not have to make a new account to do so. If that's not possible, you could also try just asking me to stop posting in politics. I don't take the hate personally. I'd say a request from three out of the four mods seems fair and I'll just self-exile. We already know your vote, so just have Loki and tomdemaine PM me if that's the consensus.


https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/pr...al-reentry-and
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...109-story.html
https://www.ocregister.com/2011/06/2...o-voter-fraud/
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...162259065.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...er-named-.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...oters/1799581/
http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/...b91a06423.html
http://www.documentcloud.org/documen...ter-fraud.html
http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/...a4bcf887a.html
http://mediatrackers.org/2011/07/21/...ve-journalism/
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...cc4c002e0.html
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/2...-pleads-guilty
http://www.dothaneagle.com/news/crim...0a7f2d611.html
http://www.dothaneagle.com/news/crim...4d325bbc6.html
http://blog.al.com/wire/2010/10/form...mmissione.html
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/2...ter-fraud-case
http://www.wxow.com/story/13473217/sentencing
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...fraud/2087893/
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...-hero/6712981/
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/2...tir-suspicions
https://cases.justia.com/ohio/ninth-...-ohio-7058.pdf
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...n_2113807.html


This is all the time I have at the moment.
02-07-2018 , 06:48 PM
I would assume he meant temp ban, could be wrong tho

Also, if widespread is what you claimed (maybe I missed it, not really following along) then individual cases of one person voting twice probably not the best route. (See the Cincinnati article)
02-07-2018 , 06:53 PM
It's not gonna be the same around here without Inso fuming at poor schoolchildren getting free lunches and people using EBT cards in line at Safeway.
02-07-2018 , 06:55 PM
And the ciricle of Republican derp begins again. Claim that Democrats love widespread voter fraud and therefor oppose voter ID. Never show any proof that Democrats want voter fraud, and when providing proof of voter fraud show 99% evidence of fraud in absentee voting, where voter ID would not help and because Republicans usually vote in larger numbers, suspiciously lack any attempt to clean up the fraud. When shown the evidence simply move onto something else or reset the argument. It's just kind of amazing Inso thinks it's somehow original at this point. The thread has gone over the extact same thing multiple times!

Inso's materydom complex isn't even that original, all the PU guys were sacrified on the alter of political correctness, swore they made actual contributions elsewhere etc. blah blah blah. Seen it again and again.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 02-07-2018 at 07:02 PM.
02-07-2018 , 07:06 PM
I clicked three links at random. Not one of them contained a case of election fraud that would be prevented by voter ID.
02-07-2018 , 07:10 PM
Clicked 3 more. One of them was a case of a non-citizen voting.

Inso, 83% of the links I clicked do not show evidence of what you claim. But there does seem to be a problem with absentee voting. Do you think we should eliminate that?

      
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