The GOP war on voting - Page 130 - Politics and Economics

You can’t say Andrea Anthony didn’t try. A 37-year-old African American woman with an infectious smile, Anthony had voted in every major election since she was 18. On November 8, 2016, she went to the Clinton Rose Senior Center, her polling site on the predominantly black north side of Milwaukee, to cast a ballot for Hillary Clinton. “Voting is important to me because I know I have a little, teeny, tiny voice, but that is a way for it to be heard,” she said. “Even though it’s one vote, I feel it needs to count.”

She’d lost her driver’s license a few days earlier, but she came prepared with an expired Wisconsin state ID and proof of residency. A poll worker confirmed she was registered to vote at her current address. But this was Wisconsin’s first major election that required voters—even those who were already registered—to present a current driver’s license, passport, or state or military ID to cast a ballot. Anthony couldn’t, and so she wasn’t able to vote.

The poll worker gave her a provisional ballot instead. It would be counted only if she went to the Department of Motor Vehicles to get a new ID and then to the city clerk’s office to confirm her vote, all within 72 hours of Election Day. But Anthony couldn’t take time off from her job as an administrative assistant at a housing management company, and she had five kids and two grandkids to look after. For the first time in her life, her vote wasn’t counted.

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After the election, registered voters in Milwaukee County and Madison’s Dane County were surveyed about why they didn’t cast a ballot. Eleven percent cited the voter ID law and said they didn’t have an acceptable ID; of those, more than half said the law was the “main reason” they didn’t vote. According to the study’s author, University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist Kenneth Mayer, that finding implies that between 12,000 and 23,000 registered voters in Madison and Milwaukee—and as many as 45,000 statewide—were deterred from voting by the ID law. “We have hard evidence there were tens of thousands of people who were unable to vote because of the voter ID law,” he says.

I ****ing hate you awval, inso, etc. for voting for this **** and allowing it to take place.

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10-19-2017 , 09:59 AM

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On September 22, 2016, McGrath accompanied Zack Moore to the DMV on the east side of Madison in her well-traveled blue Acura to get a photo ID. Moore, a 34-year-old African American who’d recently moved from Chicago, worked at a car wash and in landscaping until he broke his leg playing basketball, lost his job, and became homeless. He kept an even keel despite his tough circumstances and had met McGrath at a church breakfast a few weeks earlier, asking whether she could help him vote in the upcoming election.

Moore, who has high cheekbones and a trim beard, came prepared with his Illinois photo ID, his Social Security card, and a pay stub for proof of residence. But he didn’t have a copy of his birth certificate, which had been misplaced by his sister in Illinois. “I’m trying to get a Wisconsin ID so I can vote,” Moore told the clerk. “I don’t have my birth certificate, but I got everything else.” Despite a sign at the DMV that said, “No Birth Certificate? No Problem!” the DMV wouldn’t give Moore a voter ID.

Under the terms of a court order resulting from ongoing litigation over the voter ID law, within six business days the DMV should have given Moore a credential he could use for voting. Instead, a clerk told him to go down to Illinois, get his birth certificate, and come back to the DMV. That would cost Moore money he didn’t have. If he entered Wisconsin’s ID Petition Process, it would take six to eight weeks for him to get a voter ID and he most likely would not be able to vote on Election Day.

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10-19-2017 , 10:03 AM

#3230

master3004

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Originally Posted by champstark

Republicans Don't Want Black People to Vote in Wisconsin

I ****ing hate you awval, inso, etc. for voting for this **** and allowing it to take place.

Guess she shouldn't have lost her license.

/awval, ikes, inso, standard ****face response.

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10-19-2017 , 10:09 AM

#3231

Trolly McTrollson

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Just wait till Jeff Sessions starts to threaten these guys with voter fraud charges. This nation is so ****ed.

10-19-2017 , 10:12 AM

#3232

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Republicans Don't Want Black People to Vote in Wisconsin

I ****ing hate you awval, inso, etc. for voting for this **** and allowing it to take place. I seriously hope you die miserable for screwing over people who just want to vote.

I mean, it's pretty much easier in red states at this point to buy a gun than it is to vote. And the right wants it this way. Is it any wonder they have no problem with a foreign adversary rigging our elections? They don't give a **** what happens nor to whom it happens as long as their guy wins. **** every single last one of them.

10-19-2017 , 10:48 AM

#3233

Victor

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Originally Posted by champstark

Republicans Don't Want Black People to Vote in Wisconsin

I ****ing hate you awval, inso, etc. for voting for this **** and allowing it to take place.

this is why the republicans will remain in power for the next generation. if you think this looks bad, just wait a few more elections and it will look like childs play. they are gonna get really good at disenfranchising democratic voters.

10-19-2017 , 10:48 AM

#3234

awval999

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Originally Posted by master3004

Guess she shouldn't have lost her license.

/awval, ikes, inso, standard ****face response.

What you are describing in Wisconsin is disgusting.

I have been turned away -- WRONGLY by the way -- by some two bit poll working trying to vote in 2012.

I don't vote in Wisconsin. I don't approve of that.

While Ohio does have a voter ID law, it's very accommodating:

https://www.sos.state.oh.us/election...irements/#gref

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Ohio law requires that every voter, upon appearing at the polling place to vote on Election Day, must announce his or her full name and current address and provide proof of identity.

The forms of identification that may be used by a voter who appears at a polling place to vote on Election Day include

An unexpired Ohio driver’s license or state identification card with present or former address so long as the voter’s present residential address is printed in the official list of registered voters for that precinct;
A military identification;
A photo identification that was issued by the United States government or the State of Ohio, that contains the voter’s name and current address and that has an expiration date that has not passed;
An original or copy of a current utility bill with the voter’s name and present address;
An original or copy of a current bank statement with the voter’s name and present address;
An original or copy of a current government check with the voter’s name and present address;
An original or copy of a current paycheck with the voter’s name and present address; or
An original or copy of a current other government document (other than a notice of voter registration mailed by a board of elections) that shows the voter’s name and present address.

10-19-2017 , 10:49 AM

#3235

champstark

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Originally Posted by awval999

While Ohio does have a voter ID law, it's very accommodating:

10-19-2017 , 10:51 AM

#3236

stinkubus

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Originally Posted by Victor

This is where the Dem's failures at state and local levels in the past few years will come back to haunt us. If they had control of more statehouses most of this **** wouldn't happen.

10-19-2017 , 10:54 AM

#3237

microbet

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Originally Posted by awval999

What you are describing in Wisconsin is disgusting.

I have been turned away -- WRONGLY by the way -- by some two bit poll working trying to vote in 2012.

How did you vote for Obama in 2012?

10-19-2017 , 10:59 AM

#3238

awval999

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Originally Posted by champstark

Both of your examples from Wisconsin would have been able to vote in Ohio.

The one had "proof of residency" and the other had a paystub.

10-19-2017 , 11:02 AM

#3239

davmcg

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Originally Posted by awval999

So why is this document excluded?

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An original or copy of a current other government document (other than a notice of voter registration mailed by a board of elections) that shows the voter’s name and present address

10-19-2017 , 11:06 AM

#3240

awval999

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Originally Posted by microbet

How did you vote for Obama in 2012?

I went to my car and got my car registration. It had my "new" address. My license had my "old" address.

That was "good enough" for the poll worker.

After I voted I called up the county board of elections. They asked me to identify who the worker was. They said they would call the poll site and clear up his misconception.

10-19-2017 , 11:09 AM

#3241

awval999

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Originally Posted by davmcg

So why is this document excluded?

I honestly don't know.

It's funny though because every election we get a polling location thing mailed to us and reminding us to vote. But it says something like "this mailing is not a qualified voter ID".

Just got it the other day.

10-19-2017 , 11:09 AM

#3242

TrollyWantACracker

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Originally Posted by awval999

You could have saved yourself this hassle by just pretending that you don't speak English and didn't understand what was going on, they probably would have just taken you directly to the front of the line.

10-19-2017 , 11:11 AM

#3243

Victor

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Originally Posted by awval999

lol that is not very accommodating at all. you need an id with your current address. so if you have moved in the last few years and not needed a new drivers license, then you cant vote.

its clearly intended to disenfranchise young people and people with a more transient lifestyle that tend to move residences often or dont have a stable residence.

and you are lying, again. you absolutely do approve of that. you approve of those actions by voting for republicans and donald trump.

10-19-2017 , 11:17 AM

#3244

awval999

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Originally Posted by Victor

lol that is not very accommodating at all. you need an id with your current address. so if you have moved in the last few years and not needed a new drivers license, then you cant vote.

its clearly intended to disenfranchise young people and people with a more transient lifestyle that tend to move residences often or dont have a stable residence.

and you are lying, again. you absolutely do approve of that. you approve of those actions by voting for republicans and donald trump.

VICTOR READ THE REQUIREMENTS!

Ohio does NOT require a PHOTO ID.

Ohio has a much, much more accommodating identification requirement than Wisconsin.

Here are Wisconsins:
YOU NEED A LITERAL PHOTO ID
https://myvote.wi.gov/en-us/PhotoIDRequired

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What Can I Use As Photo ID To Vote?
The following photo IDs are acceptable for voting purposes, and can be unexpired or expired after the date of the most recent general election (currently, the November 8, 2016 election):

A Wisconsin DOT-issued driver license, even if driving privileges are revoked or suspended
A Wisconsin DOT-issued identification card
A Military ID card issued by the U.S. Uniformed Services (including retired and dependent uniformed service IDs)
A U.S. passport book or card
The following photo IDs are also acceptable for voting purposes:

A certificate of naturalization (that was issued no earlier than two years before the date of the election)
An identification card issued by a federally recognized Indian tribe in Wisconsin (can be expired or unexpired)
A driver license receipt issued by Wisconsin DOT (valid for 45 days from date issued)
An identification card receipt issued by Wisconsin DOT (valid for 45 days from date issued)
A Wisconsin DMV ID Petition Process Photo Receipt (valid for 180 days from date issued)
A Veteran Affairs ID card (must be unexpired or have no expiration date)
A photo identification card issued by a Wisconsin accredited university or college, or technical college that contains the following:
Date the card was issued
Signature of student
Expiration date no later than two years after date of issuance
The university or college ID must be accompanied by a separate document that proves enrollment, such as a tuition fee receipt, enrollment verification letter, or class schedule. Enrollment verification document can be shown electronically.

Here are Ohio's
https://www.sos.state.oh.us/election...irements/#gref

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IDENTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS
Ohio law requires that every voter, upon appearing at the polling place to vote on Election Day, must announce his or her full name and current address and provide proof of identity.

The forms of identification that may be used by a voter who appears at a polling place to vote on Election Day include

An unexpired Ohio driver’s license or state identification card with present or former address so long as the voter’s present residential address is printed in the official list of registered voters for that precinct;
A military identification;
A photo identification that was issued by the United States government or the State of Ohio, that contains the voter’s name and current address and that has an expiration date that has not passed;
An original or copy of a current utility bill with the voter’s name and present address;
An original or copy of a current bank statement with the voter’s name and present address;
An original or copy of a current government check with the voter’s name and present address;
An original or copy of a current paycheck with the voter’s name and present address; or
An original or copy of a current other government document (other than a notice of voter registration mailed by a board of elections) that shows the voter’s name and present address.
For utility bills, bank statements, government checks, paychecks, and other government documents, “current” is defined as within the last 12 months. “Utility bill” includes a cell phone bill. “Other government document” includes license renewal and other notices, fishing and marine equipment operator’s license, court papers, or grade reports or transcripts. “Government office” includes any local (including county, city, township, school district and village), state or federal (United States) government office, branch, agency, commission, public college or university or public community college, whether or not in Ohio.

In Ohio you don't need an "Identification Card". You can bring a bill statement. A paystub. An electric bill. A social security check. A tuition statement from the University. It just needs to have your address on it. Come on.

10-19-2017 , 11:18 AM

#3245

microbet

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Originally Posted by Victor

Yeah. Every voter restriction idea is scummy. Everyone, everyone knows there's not a problem with ineligible voters voting. Even the dumbest loudmouth Trumpkins who swear up and down that 3 million illegals voted know that that's full of ****.

10-19-2017 , 11:23 AM

#3246

Victor

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yes and I am saying it is easy to be without those things if you have just changed residence.

no, I am not going to go one by one and explain to the valedictorian why a person is likely to not have such a document.

but I will point out, once again, that were lying through your teeth when you claimed that you were against such harassment. this is proven even further by how strongly you are defending these bs requirements and attacking me.

10-19-2017 , 11:26 AM

#3247

awval999

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Originally Posted by microbet

Obviously you need some sort of rules and procedures to register to vote. Whether it's automatic at vehicle registration, mail in when you move, etc.

But, I agree, that that vast majority of voter ID requirements are tools used to restrict voters.

You won't find me arguing for voter ID.

Literally I am posting because a poster "wished I would die" and argued that I am to blame for Wisconsin's bull**** voter ID rules when I am not a resident of Wisconsin and haven't been to Wisconsin since I was a child.

And Victor then doesn't read the Ohio statues of voter ID which I think is miles better than Wisconsins.

10-19-2017 , 11:29 AM

#3248

Victor

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Originally Posted by microbet

and those voter id requirements arent even the scummiest thing ohio does. ohio is able to disenfranchise a ton more voters by purging the voter list every 6 years if you havent voted in that time. this is a new action too. there was very little publicity and tons of ppl have been turned away at the polls the last few elections. it only started getting notoriety recently and is now being challenged in court (it will pass bc lololol)

and again, its even more proof of how insincere awval is. to act like he is against such things, but then he turns around and defends ohio when surely the valedictorian was aware of this ohio rule.

10-19-2017 , 11:30 AM

#3249

awval999

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Originally Posted by Victor

yes and I am saying it is easy to be without those things if you have just changed residence.

no, I am not going to go one by one and explain to the valedictorian why a person is likely to not have such a document.

but I will point out, once again, that were lying through your teeth when you claimed that you were against such harassment. this is proven even further by how strongly you are defending these bs requirements and attacking me.

Then you would vote at your old address Victor.

I am attacking you?

Asking you to "read the requirements" of the Ohio statue is attacking?

Posters in this thread "wish I would die." I'm just asking you to compare and contrast the Ohio statue with the Wisconsin statue.