Or, many/most people are too busy managing their own personal lives to be bothered to wade through the never ending onslaught of utter partisan bull**** that comes from their televisions, radios, and Facebook feed.

But you're right, it's probably racism. /s

Compulsory voting would be the nut low.

Why would compulsory voting be the nut low?

LOL the election of Trump taught me one thing about middle America. They have no problem being **** on by their social betters so long as you don't try to tell them a black man is one of them.

and of course the DNC thinks the population writ large leans right when push comes to shove, so they withhold money and support from downballot candidates. it's just a vicious cycle of incompetency, the only solution is to primary these pieces of ****

man i would love to run for public office and just hit the campaign trail straight ****ting on all these broke ass mother****ers but i fear my career for the past 10 years as a poker player and my criminal record for misdemeanor marijuana possession will be a death blow.

then part of me is like **** it, if donald trump and his band of misfits can spin incompetency and inexperience as a virtue then surely i could handwave my own past liabilities. OMG i smoke weed and used to grow it in CO, EAD

plus if they started digging into my 2+2 history it'd be gg, unless all these cucks hear about the dick measuring contest i won and want me to **** their wives

They do like cuck porn in the south so that might help. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I bet there's at least one or two red states where a straight up legalization campaign could get some legs.

Paper Ballots Are Hack Proof. It Is Time To Bring Them Back

States that do voting by mail seem to do well with participation rates.

Then again, you can still hack voter rolls and kick people off. (Or do it as secretary of state, like kobach)

Voting in WA state is awesome. Everything is done by mail, it's super easy. You get confirmation your ballot has been received. It's what all states should move to.

Look, at this point don't even entertain the voterID questions. If you want fancy play syndrome even grant them that voterID stuff isn't racist.

We have a thread talking about a solid baker's dozen different ways to suppress the vote and fire-breathing f**kface over here has probably ignored them all (I'm grunching obv cuz that's how I do).

Insooo JAQing off on people's faces and calling it clam chowder.

The next election will be stolen from inside the White House

I mean, this whole line of thinking is why nobody on the left (and many in the middle) trusts anyone on the right when it comes to this issue. Voting is a goddamned RIGHT, not a privilege.

Nobody should have to ****ing prove they can legally vote. If anything, the STATE should have to prove that you DON'T have the right to vote before curtailing your voting rights in any way.

I mean, let's apply that logic to any other "inalienable right." What if the state shows up at your door and confiscates your GUNZ, assuring you that you will get them all back once you come down to the courthouse and PROVE you're not a criminal. Is that cool? How about being forced to prove citizenship/legal residence in order to exercise your rights to free speech, or to publish a newsletter, or to have a speedy jury trial when accused of a crime? Why are voting rights any different from these?

(Spoiler: they're not, because this issue is not about free and fair elections to the right; it's about winning elections, nothing more, nothing less, when you are in the near-permanent minority)

I think all of you can understand why leaving voting to the honor system would be a bad idea, so instead of grandstanding, perhaps you can at least try to answer the question?

How many millions of votes would Trump have gained if 4chan was bound only by the honor system?

There's an ocean's worth of difference between "the honor system" and "you don't have any voting rights until you prove you do." Really surprised I have to actually type that.

The system we had before the current system of gerrymandering at the ballot box worked just fine, as evidenced by the dearth of voter fraud convictions the right is trying desperately to prevent.

Well you're getting closer to answering the question, but you haven't quite gotten there.

What do your ideal voting system look like? What precautions against fraud do you take, if any?

Well, the old system was demonstrably working fine. One in which you register to vote, and the first time you vote in person, you can demonstrate your identity with a preponderance of acceptable documents including things like utility bills or signed affidavits from other people showing that you are you, and in the future, they have your signature on file to go with your name and address, or if they still think something is fishy, they can have you show you're you using a very large number of ways of doing so.

Now, how does closing DMVs in black areas help secure the vote?

I said it in the post immediately before this one

"The system we had before..."

It's a fine system. You register. County voting office determines whether or not you're a felon and whether or not you're trying to register again or already registered elsewhere in the state (they usually don't even have to do this nowadays, at least not here in FL, when I moved they auto-updated my reg and sent me a new card). You're given a precinct and then you go and vote. If you go to the wrong precinct, you can't vote (this happened to me after I moved, went to the wrong place, not on list, couldn't vote).

If someone wants to risk a felony conviction for showing up and voting in my stead, more power to them. It's really stupid and really easy to get caught but whatevs, yolo.

Bear in mind I know this system is not perfect, because no system is perfect. But we've spent thousands of posts itt arguing over practically-non-existent voter fraud and anyone with a brain can see it's about keeping Dems from voting, nothing more and nothing less.

Wookie, I don't disagree with any of that, but my initial comment was with regard to goofy's story about a woman with no ID, no identifying paperwork, and no home at which to receive mail.

What do you do for her?

I mean most on the left have relented on the voter ID issue, fine, make everyone show ID as long as you make it free and trivially easy to obtain ID. But even THAT isn't good enough, they have to **** you on the back end by forcing you to submit to the trials of ****ing Hercules in order to even obtain an ID.

Bro, I put an idea in my post for you already.