Conservatives demanding papers, please itt

Maybe the part where they're making you pay to vote?

How about because America is supposed to be a free country.

The funny thing about voter fraud is that, in most cases, trying to sway an election by voter fraud is like trying to become a millionaire by taking all the pennies out of the "take a penny, leave a penny" cups from local gas stations once every few months

what if it's lost the day before elections? or is expired and lolusps hasn't delivered it in time?

again, it's adding an unnecessary layer to voting that has no utility other than to those who would benefit from lower voter turnout.

if planes crashed into buildings on a single day, would that mean all airport cavity searches are justified? have you stopped beating your wife yet?

i feel like the solution to this mythical fraud is on every page of this thread: ink

you can fake an id easier than a fingerprint.

this is a solution that does nothing to inhibit voting while verifying identity.

Isnt the point of photo id to, you know, match up the photo with the person presenting it for identification? What exactly is a guy with an id with his baby picture on it actually proving other than "Ive got this picture of a baby, its totally me"

Master,

Stop avoiding the question. For instance, US passports expire every 10 years. Assume the ID was re-issued every 10 year to upgrade the photo and chip.

Now, what are your objections?

So you propose to use the "Honor System". Yikes......

Your (and the Greek Chorus) reluctance to discuss is simply because you don't have an answer to it and your team like the fraudulent votes when they break your way 80/20.

Why on earth would a citizen be reluctant to have every assurance that only citizens vote?

Ive never had one, in fact I specifically said if the government were to come to each individuals house directly and issue them a government id, and to do this in continuum, forever for each person that reached 18, I would be all for it.

The question is, is the imaginary fraud that has been invented worth that kind of cost? Is that something you are willing to put your tax dollars towards? In order to prevent all of the none cases of prosecuted in person voter fraud?

I'm not proposing a damn thing. Simply reminding you what the Rs already have out there.

lol

Please state in your own words what the specific objections are to the voter ID laws being proposed/passed, and the related issues of closing polls in minority neighborhoods, restriction early voting, etc?

Why isn't there a massive uproar over this "cross-check" program in 22 states? If you have the same first and last name as someone else who voted in the same election as you, you can't vote. Doesn't matter that you have a different middle name, different suffix, different birthday, different SSN and everything else. So far 0 prosecutions despite there being > 3 million supposed double-voter suspects. Naturally, this primarily targets minorities, and is mostly in GOP-controlled states.

At this point, the GOP is openly supporting Jim Crow. (Not that the Dems necessarily wouldn't support it if minorities tended to vote Republican.) If you vote Republican, you're literally voting for someone who thinks either that non-whites shouldn't be allowed to vote, or that instead of a democracy we should just have a GOP dictatorship.

In 2000 there was a fake list of felons in Florida preventing blacks from voting. It turned out that 0 of the names on the list were actual felons. 14 years later, we've taken that assault on democracy and upped it by two orders of magnitude.

Hmmmm, seems like valid ID would prevent this in distinguishing Tom Jones 1 from Tom Jones 2. Hmmmmm

lol

Or just, you know, not basing voter fraud accusations on having the same common name as someone (without comparing their SSN's and birthdays), and pretending it's in the interest of preventing crime when everyone knows the real motive.

Jaaash, are you in favor of the cross-check program?

I don't really know how you would go about determining which John Doe is which without an ID. How would you recommend this be done?

This system is disenfranchising John Does even in states that have the voter ID restrictions. Pablo Luis Ramirez of Charlotte, NC, and Pablo Sergio Ramirez of Austin, TX can both show up to vote at their precincts where they are registered properly in their own names, both present valid US passports that prove both identity and citizenship, and both will be denied the vote because they are both Pablo Ramirez.

I haven't met many people who are so dismissive and condescending that also routinely admit they don't know what the **** they are talking about.

I have. See the "poker is rigged" threads where riggies demonstrate a middle-school understanding of math and stats but are quick to call everyone on the forum idiots.

I'm just assuming none of these guys have ever voted. Imagine how embarrassing it would be to display this much ignorance over a process you've actually participated in.

If anyone's curious, a guy with my name died in another state so at least one instance of tax fraud has been verified.

Right. So with mandatory ID these laws wouldn't need to be passed. As it is now how do you know Pablo from NC from Pablo from TX? How can we tell they're a different person if we aren't allowed to ask for ID?

I need a Bayes analysis on the likelihood that someone would vote in two different states when I look at my voting place and think, "d*mn I don't want to drive all the out there."

How is Pablo going to vote in NC and Texas?