Yeah big wtf. How is opposing Halal slaughter racist? Halal slaughter is barbaric because it does not involve stunning. Some parts of culture need to die. Slavery was part of southern culture, but those racist northerns wouldn't let them have their culture.

Nearly all Halal is stunned at slaughter.

It's derived from racism because it's equally cruel as the western bolt gun method, both equal brain death in seconds, but because the Muslims want a slightly different method others want to ban it for no reason whatsoever.

From what I have read some halal slaughter involves stunning some does not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ned-first.html
This article says that there are religious exceptions to UK law that require animals to be stunned prior to slaughter, specifically halal and kosher methods. Even if this is only a small percentage, I am still in favor of outlawing halal and kosher methods that don't stun the animals prior to slaughter. I am sure there are others like me who oppose halal (and kosher) slaughter methods on animal welfare grounds.

daily mail itt.

adacan,

I have no real argument against working with the Muslim community to build unified support and banning unstunned halal and kosher slaughter, which is estimated to be at most 15% but is more likely sub 10%. See, this is a reasonable compromise response, banning all halal and the knee jerk "this is what all halal is like" is not.

Btw that article is hugely propagandist. The animals dont fight for their lives when their throats are cut, they die almost immediately and it is just a nervous system response. Slaughter using a bolt gun looks almost identical.

It also buries the true percent of unstunned halal in the article, hinting at it briefly in an early paragraph then dropping the percent in towards the end after a completely irrelevant profile of some random guy who seems to own and manage one of these slaughterhouses. The article is written to imply that it is a widespread problem when in reality its a blip.

In fact in terms of percentages western butchered meat likely has a higher percentage of cruel slaughter practices than halal - lets be honest, there is no way those Romanian businesses putting horse and donkey in lasagne was following good practices!

Such a bad move. It's not funny.
I agree. Manchester is like East Berlin.

That's racist.

Just imagine the normal laziness, cynicism and boredom that sets in at any repetitive job, now apply that to an abattoir. There is tons of cruelty in the UK in normal abattoirs.

I agree with Phil. England would be a better place without Romanians there.

The slaughterhouses were in Romania, the meat was being imported.

Non stunned halal slaughter is absoloutely horrific. You can find videos on the internet should you wish (I would advise so given your current stance)

Very upsetting we allow animal cruelty in the UK on religious grounds. The fact you beleve people who oppose it are racist (to the Jews Muslims or whoever) really weakens any credibility to your original point that native people are racist to immigrants (or Muslims whoever It was)

Its not opposing it that's racist, its over blowing and exaggerating the extent of it and then going omfg Muslim bastards.

People are dumb, a minority do this, ignore them like you do the Muslim defence league who want sharia law in uk. They're not representative of a 60m population.

Generalising like yourself and phill is willfully ignorant and helpful to nobody

Wat?

Go back and reread the thread.

Could you explain what 'actual race' is and how it's deciphered? Thanks.

b

So the one time there is a thread about Germany, it immediately turns into super-AIDS. Great.
Fwiw: Germany's immigration policy isn't as open as Phil portrays it. Yes, all EU-citizens can come here (and there are eben programs to further incentivize them to come for certain regions/ job fields), but that is true for all EU countries.
There are fewer 3000 people who came here under the Blue Card scheme that has been described ITT. Mainly that is due to the wage you have to earn to get it (48.000€ is not "slightly below the average salary").
Far more people than that come every year, because their family alrrady lives here or recently as refugees.
And to contribute to the thread-AIDS:
It's a ridiculous notion that Germans can't be racist against Turks. By the same logic the Nazis weren't racist. They mainly exterminated Ashkenazi Jews and considered Slavs as Untermenschen. Both Caucasian groups...

yeah, that threads sucks i think only 10 post are about the actual topic. i think there are a few things thats have to be said about the immigration in germany.
to 1: thats the main downside of immigration in germany, alot of the low level workers dont immigrate to places where are jobs, they go to places where they have family. this results in a politcal change of direction. its not as bad as detroit, but some parts of it turn into these direction. its pretty much a downside spirall there. the citys are higly in debt and the employee rate shrinks down alot over the years. yet, the amount of people living by social programm alone is rising, so does the money the citys have to spent.
this results in rising social conflicts, which doesnt makes slogans like“Germany for Germans.” right, but for the the majority supporters of these partys, its more actual having a voice which understands the problems in these regions. the german goverment itselfs is verrrrrry selctive about releasing stats, that would show problems of immigration. there are no crime stats about religion, migration background or so for example.

2.“Germans know they need immigrants,” this is a very doubtfull statement. the truth is more like "the german industrie knows they need immigration, so they have a leverage to keep the salarys steady on the same level" . ive been raised in mecklenburg, and the salrays paid there in the lower work section arent better than in eastern europe. this results in people leaving to find work in swiss or austria travel regions, where the money paid is worth to work for.

3. this is just wrong. thats something been praised for decades. germany has a way different school and jobtraining system, then most countries. this results in the fact, that a ton of the professional qualification of immigrants arent even qualified for the german market. also it has to be said that, u can be best in ur job, if u dont speak a word of german, ur not more qualified for it as a 4 y old. its not a english speaking country, where u just have to enhance ur school english. most start at 0 language skills.