Georgia's 6th - Ossof v. Handel. - Page 20 - Politics and Economics

Weird thing is Civil Rights was the part of the Democratic platform that got them drummed out of the south entirely. It wasn't the labor stuff! It wasn't the welfare stuff! It WAS being for Civil Rights!

06-20-2017 , 10:56 PM

#478

FlyWf

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Dems donors should be putting this kid's head in a vise asking for their money back

06-20-2017 , 10:58 PM

#479

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06-20-2017 , 11:01 PM

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06-20-2017 , 11:02 PM

#481

master3004

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

It wouldn't hurt the Democratic Party to occasionally, you know, mention jobs and the economy.

I dont understand why they are not pounding the **** out of training against automation. "Hey, you, coal guy who's job is 100% going away in the next four years. Come vote for the democrats. We will give you free training on how to run all those machines that are going to replace you, so that you will still have a job to go to once you are replaced."

06-20-2017 , 11:02 PM

#482

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Also Dems need to cut this civility **** out. Your conduct needs to match your rhetoric. If you want to talk about the AHCA literally killing people, which it will, you also need to act like the people trying to pass the AHCA are killers.

I don't disagree, but it was a (presumably) private call conceding an election. What he actually says there doesn't really matter. But there are many other scenarios in which your suggestion is better than what Dems currently do.

06-20-2017 , 11:06 PM

#483

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Originally Posted by master3004

Too sophisticated. People are morons.

Messaging needs to be more simple.

06-20-2017 , 11:06 PM

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Also it really sends a mixed message when you say **** like "we need to work across the aisle" then your opponent spends the whole campaign bragging about how she pushed voter ID through in Georgia and talking about how gay people don't deserve to have real families. Like what the ****. In what universe do those things make sense together?

06-20-2017 , 11:06 PM

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He didn't even go the "Trump sucks" route. He rarely talked about Trump. He would've done better if he did.

Isn't everyone who thinks Trump sucks and is enthusiastic already voting for him tho? Seems like that was the calculation he made.

If he had a pathway to victory, it was speaking about healthcare more. Healthcare is where the public is more in line with the Dems.

06-20-2017 , 11:08 PM

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Yes talk about health care more. This is the most unpopular piece of major legislation in decades. Why was he not hammering on it every single day. Get on Chris Hayes and hammer away at that **** a couple of nights a week. For god's sake I know he could get the air time if he tried.

06-20-2017 , 11:09 PM

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I don't really get this line of thinking. Where's the restraint they're showing?

The Republicans are doing their thing to the best of their ability (which is really only restricted by their own incompetence). There has been literally no restraint because of future general election chances (mostly because the people you're talking about know they'll get ****ed in the primary if they don't act this way - and thats the bigger risk for them).

Well, perhaps restraint they would have shown if Ossoff had won... Or backbone on the Russia investigation.

Now, I expect full throated support of Trump and an even stronger effort to ram through Trumpcare.

06-20-2017 , 11:10 PM

#488

SenorKeeed

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Handel was a legitimately bad candidate with insane social views and no real qualifications but we ran ****ing Jonah from Veep on a platform stolen from one of those movie politicians whose views are designed so that it's not clear what party they are in because it doesn't matter for the plot.

Jonah won tho

06-20-2017 , 11:10 PM

#489

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

Too sophisticated. People are morons.

Messaging needs to be more simple.

Whats more simple than "You will lose job, I will help you get new job, for free."

06-20-2017 , 11:12 PM

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Wait, I just looked at the results. She beat him by 5 ****ing points?

What a godawful ****show. **** everything.

06-20-2017 , 11:12 PM

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How are you gonna work across the aisle with people that just STOLE a Supreme Court seat from you, breaking with centuries of tradition and destroying one of our most sacred democratic institutions in the process?

06-20-2017 , 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by master3004

Whats more simple than "You will lose job, I will help you get new job, for free."

Because "You will not lose job, I will fight for your current job" beats it, even if it's a lie.

Healthcare is a better platform to fight on, since Dems are fighting for the people and Reps are fighting against the people.

06-20-2017 , 11:14 PM

#493

ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by master3004

Whats more simple than "You will lose job, I will help you get new job, for free."

"You won't lose your job".

06-20-2017 , 11:17 PM

#494

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So... just lie to everyone then?

They are going to lose their jobs. Its inevitable.

I dont get it man, wouldn't people appreciate being told the ****ing truth? I know I would, especially if that person says "And i'm going to help you get past it."

06-20-2017 , 11:19 PM

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However, this is not the time to give up on things. Given the numbers in these races tonight and all the races since November 2016, Democrats could be in a very powerful position in 2018. We need to get started now. Start helping your friends register to vote, get involved with some Democratic candidates, donate a bit if you don't have time, just do whatever you can. Spread good real information and call out false misinformation when you get a chance. This is not over.

06-20-2017 , 11:20 PM

#496

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People don't like being told the truth if it's not something they can readily accept. It's much easier to win someone over with a comforting lie than a hard truth.

06-20-2017 , 11:23 PM

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Absolutely we should be talking about automation and what we should do about it. But that requires two things that most Democratic candidates don't currently have:

Imagination
Willingness to take risks

At some point guys if you keep thinking "these candidates suck" you have to start asking yourself...maybe you should run for office. I'm serious. Everything is at stake here.

06-20-2017 , 11:23 PM

#498

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Originally Posted by master3004

If you are running for a house seat and promising federal funding for everybody who loses their jobs to get free "training" for a new job you are also lying.

06-20-2017 , 11:24 PM

#499

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Originally Posted by master3004

So... just lie to everyone then?

You just saw Donald ****ing Trump win the Presidency. You really have to ask this?

Quote:

They are going to lose their jobs. Its inevitable.

I dont get it man, wouldn't people appreciate being told the ****ing truth? I know I would, especially if that person says "And i'm going to help you get past it."

While I agree with you here, there are too many stupid people who do not. Gotta message to all. Can either lie (which I do not support) or pick a better platform where you are right and they are wrong AND your message is a simple winning one. Like healthcare: "I will fight for you" vs "They want to kill you".