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02-14-2012 , 02:58 AM

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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/G...?tab=video&c=y

I'm so proud of my governor and legislature. It's a solid victory for marriage in WA today, and particularly sweet on a day when leading anti-gay bigot Rick Santorum was visiting.

Of course the anti-gay bigots who live in WA have already filed a referendum to take this away, but I think it'll be a long shot in November. If the referendum does pass I will be so amazingly incredibly bitter. If WA passes a referendum to strip gay people of the right to marry I may be more disappointed in that electoral outcome than any other ever.

I played poker for a living for 6 years, I always considered second (third fourth) level thinking, especially of the fish/amateurs one of my biggest strengths. I find it so so hard to understand seeing a couple like the two guys in that video talk about how much marriage has meant to them, how much more connected they feel, and how happy it makes them, then being so deluded with religious dogma to say no you can't have it because my religion says so.

02-14-2012 , 03:08 AM

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Didn't Wookie proclaim this a few weeks back?

02-14-2012 , 03:09 AM

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Of course the anti-gay bigots who live in WA have already filed a referendum to take this away, but I think it'll be a long shot in November. If the referendum does pass I will be so amazingly incredibly bitter. If WA passes a referendum to strip gay people of the right to marry I may be more disappointed in that electoral outcome than any other ever.

Pretty much how I felt in CA in '08...

02-14-2012 , 05:16 AM

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No worries, WA goes to the 9th circuit also

02-14-2012 , 11:11 AM

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This is good news!

02-14-2012 , 11:22 AM

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bravo!

02-14-2012 , 12:08 PM

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Yes, winning the culture war!

02-14-2012 , 12:24 PM

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Legalize one of the most controversial issues in politics today but online poker is a class C felony in WA.

These guys....

02-14-2012 , 01:50 PM

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02-15-2012 , 01:40 AM

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Republicans will never lose this war. Can't lose to something made up by science to mock the lord.

02-15-2012 , 02:31 AM

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10-21-2012 , 10:37 PM

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Polling on this referendum (WA Referendm 74) is good, looks like gay marriage is holding about a 10-12 point lead. I worry that a ballot like this is more susceptible to a bradley effect than most though.

Finger crossed!

10-21-2012 , 10:49 PM

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I caught an ad opposing this today. It was less logically coherent than most anti-marriage equality post on this board.

Arguments presented in like one 30 second spot

1- you can oppose gay marriage without being anti-gay
2- marriage isn't just about partnership, but about kids- but no actual argument presented as to how any kids would be affected
3- a weird bit about how people that opposed gay marriage were being persecuted in other aspects of life.

Found it online

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRP6d0jOOBw

10-21-2012 , 10:54 PM

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There've been a couple of "don't redefine marriage" yard signs pop on on the street near my house.

The actual "against" argument in the voter's pamphlet is absurd. It's main basis is: we are redefining marriage fr everyone, under the new law wives could become husbands and husbands could become wives.

10-21-2012 , 10:56 PM

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Men taking care of children and cooking food?! Will the agenda of liberals ever stop?!

10-21-2012 , 11:10 PM

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Men taking care of children and cooking food?! Will the agenda of liberals ever stop?!

That line actually just made me think of strap-ons

10-23-2012 , 10:57 PM

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I avoid expressing opinions on this blog; I like to stick to Actual Math. For this issue, I’m going to make an exception. In two weeks Washington (along with Maine, Maryland, and Minnesota) has the chance to be the first U.S. state to affirm the right of everyone to marry with a popular vote. Let’s do it. Let’s stand up and proclaim that everyone is equal under the law. Everyone.

As a poker player, I spent many hours working at the table trying to understand how my opponent’s minds were working. The better you understand why someone plays poker, how they think about poker, and what they think about you, the better you’ll be able to deduce what their hand is. In the poker world we call that second-level thinking. I've spent a long time improving my second level thinking (all successful poker players have) and as a consequence when people disagree with me I can usually understand what their thought process is.

Outside of religious dogmatism and just being mean, I don’t understand the opposition to gay marriage. I don’t. I don't understand the exclusionism. I don't understand the demagoguery. I don’t understand how anyone could object to two people wanting to stand up and declare their love, declare that they’re partners, declare that they’re building a life together, and then be treated equally under the law.

Anecdotally, I see the majority of objections to gay marriage coming from religious people (specifically Christians), and I don’t understand that either. I’m not religious, I don’t know much about it, and I welcome corrections if I’m off base. But my basic understanding of Jesus’s teachings boils down to: Be kind to people, don’t judge them, and treat them how you want to be treated. I don’t understand how denying anyone a basic right is consistent with that.

I feel more emotionally invested in the outcome of this vote than in any other ever. It will actually affect the lives of my friends who are gay, who just want the same thing from love that we all do: to find someone special. It’s a chance for Washington to be the first state to say, with a popular vote, that we stand for civil rights, for equality, and for kindness.

I have a wife. She’s beautiful and smart and is home raising our daughter. My life is so much better with her in it (I hope she would say the same). She helps me and I help her. She supports me and I support her. What’s mine is hers and what’s hers is mine. We're connected to each other, we have a life together, we’re partners. Everyone should get to have that connection, that support, that love.

From my blog.

10-23-2012 , 11:20 PM

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Anecdotally, I see the majority of objections to gay marriage coming from religious people (specifically Christians), and I don’t understand that either. I’m not religious, I don’t know much about it, and I welcome corrections if I’m off base. But my basic understanding of Jesus’s teachings boils down to: Be kind to people, don’t judge them, and treat them how you want to be treated. I don’t understand how denying anyone a basic right is consistent with that.

Come hang out in RGT for a bit and you'll see how it works. It seems to come down to hating the sin, but loving the sinner. And a completely shameless legislation of one's own religious values at the expense of those who feel differently.

10-24-2012 , 12:38 AM

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I saw a commercial with a Republican politician from Washington endorsing gay marriage today. They sure do make 'em different up here in the Pacific Northwest. In the Oregon Secretary of State race, the Republican is afraid to even call himself a Republican, lol.

10-24-2012 , 01:23 AM

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2- marriage isn't just about partnership, but about kids- but no actual argument presented as to how any kids would be affected

We all know same sex parents can't raise normal children LDO

absurd

10-24-2012 , 01:40 AM

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Goofy, Minnesota's is a state constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage

10-24-2012 , 04:04 AM

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Would be nice to have a president that supported marriage equality at the federal level, as protected by the 14th amendment.

Too bad we won't get one this year, regardless of who wins.

Obama 2012! Equality! .... or something :shrug:

10-24-2012 , 04:47 PM

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iirc Obama has refused to allow the justice department to defend the defense of marriage act because he believes it violated the 14th amendment.

10-24-2012 , 04:57 PM

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There's one with a bunch of religious leaders (including my aunt's boss) that's pretty awesome. Those commercials in general have been really well done, and really touching/inspiring.