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10-02-2009 , 11:59 AM

#901

Mempho

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Daliman

Grunching here, but has anyone mentioned how Glenn Beck must be the most prolific worker in the history of the world? Even though he has a 3-hour radio show and 1 hour TV show he must prepare and perform on, (and I DO mean perform), as well as a website, tours, etc, he has found the time to write and have released in the last 10.5 months THREE books! I would love to quiz him on the contents of those books, and wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't answer most of the questions about the book "he" wrote. Little different than how Sarah Palin wrote her memoirs in less than 3 months, (great article on that here). In most any other industry, you are considered a fraud if you put your name on something you didn't create, but in publishing, it's celebrated. I know Clancy or one of those guys used to do similar, but pretty sure that was made clear that his "universe" was what was being written about, by another author, but this isn't even close to comparable.

Gotta say though, Beck is a lot of things, but bad businessman isn't one of them. Just like I first noticed with Ann Coulter, but has been oing on forever; if you wanna make a lot of $$$ and are a semi-known public figure, just say something really incendiary, then don't back down from it, and the fringe idiots will make you rich. Like one of the great two-letter guys said, (PT Barnum or HL Mencken, "You'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the american public")

You obviously haven't watched much of his show. If you want to argue against Beck, you've got to knock down the individual pillars of his construct that he goes into great detail about.

If, on the other hand, you just want to say "Beck is an idiot/crazy/etc.," it just seems dronish because you haven't knocked down the "substantive" points he is trying to make.

Also, you need to distinguish between arguing against the factual assertions he is making or arguing against the interpretations he is making from those assertions.

You can use either one, but you need to clearly state the basis for your opinion because you otherwise come off as a person that is incapable of reasoning through alternate theories, etc.

I don't know anyone who really knows their politics, left or right, that dismisses "Beck" as an idiot.

Last edited by Mempho; 10-02-2009 at 12:09 PM.

10-02-2009 , 12:04 PM

#902

jogsxyz

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Originally Posted by Brian J

lol so his point is that he doesn't believe the chart and yet he wishes it were doubly so...

jogsxyz is apparently also in favor of double and triple taxation.

No taxation for the bottom 90%.

10-02-2009 , 12:47 PM

#903

pvn

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Originally Posted by ctyri

I linked to two critical studies of the economic impact of the olympics. The fact that you didn't read the studies speaks more volumes about your honest inquiry.

I didn't ask about economic impact.

10-02-2009 , 12:57 PM

#904

Joe Flacco

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I was scanning the channels last night and caught about 3 minutes of the glen beck show. i wonder how much money they pay him to make an azz out of himself. i was almost embarrased for him. it was like i was watching the circus or something. i believe fox is more about entertaining the audience than providing programming of substance.

10-02-2009 , 01:04 PM

#905

pvn

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Originally Posted by Joe Flacco

i believe tv is more about entertaining the audience than providing programming of substance.

fyp

10-02-2009 , 01:43 PM

#906

adios

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Originally Posted by Joe Flacco

His ratings have sky rocketed (I believe his show is highest rated on FoxNews now). He just came out with a book. His schtik is selling well, no doubt about it. There was an advertisers boycott organized recently against his show but with his ratings I'm fairly certain he's making mucho $.

10-02-2009 , 01:53 PM

#907

action44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mempho

Where do I start? What factual assertions does Glenn Beck make? The one about Obama being a racist? Or the one about the vancouver Olympics losing money when it hasn't even taken place?

He goes into great detail? How? by drawing ******ed pictures on a dry erase board for his moronic audience?

If you can't see that he says things for attention then i don't know what to say. He profits off his audiences stupidity and his fake BS patriotism. He don't give a damn about America or the average American, he cares about his bank account.

Especially in this forum and day and age in politics when the term racist gets thrown around to loosely. Glenn Beck is a HUUGGE Racist. Deep seeded hatred for "white culture"? Come on dude.. He couldn't even answer his ignorant statement when Katie Couric asked him about it. He dismissed it as a "loaded question" (sop on right when you can't answer a question) and claimed they would edit it to make him look bad ect.. sorry glenn you do a good enough job at making yourself look like an idiot..

Beck says HE THINKS McCain would be way worse than Obama? LOOk at me IM Glenn Beck I'll say anything please look at me attention attention attention rating rating ratings look at meeeeeee! Reminds me of an angry 1st grader wanting attention.. Thankfully for him there are millions of knuckleheads in this country that can satisfy him..I just feel extremely sorry for those people....

Also ITT someone mentioned glenn becks shady past of involvements with under aged children..I will believe this as fact and spread it with impunity until glenn beck proves it otherwise.. Just as he does with his "facts"...

10-02-2009 , 01:54 PM

#908

Daliman

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Originally Posted by Mempho

While this is a very well-stated, reasoned response, you are responding to things not said. I never said he was an idiot, and I actually made no comment whatsoever about his politics other than to say he panders to idiots. Just because he says idiotic things does not make HIM an idiot, ( I should know...), and saying something incendiary does not necessarily mean it is idiotic. I'd be more than happy to argue against Beck's politics, but the qouted post made no arguments against them. It made an argument against "his" prolific production, as well as Palin's. You seem to have inferred the rest.

You are right about one thing though; I haven't watched much of his show. Only a few minutes where he says/does some completely idiotic things that I see links to on the tubes.

10-02-2009 , 01:55 PM

#909

action44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adios

just shows how many clueless people are out there!

I'm sure he does quite well in the $$$ department which prolly makes him a god in this forum..

After all if all his wealth is a product of the free market..He's greeeeeeeeeeeeeeat!

10-02-2009 , 02:01 PM

#910

ctyri

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

I didn't ask about economic impact.

GMAFB and STFU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

How is this calculated?

For example, a city builds a bunch of facilities, I'm assuming land is appropriated via eminent domain, taxes bankroll the construction, etc.

After the olympics, those facilities basically sit there whereas the land would have been put to other uses otherwise. There's a lot of opportunity cost there.

There's a bunch of inconvienence for residents. Is productivity loss calculated into these profit figures?

etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

It's not a hypothetical, I'm asking. I have no idea how this stuff works.

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Originally Posted by pvn

Yeah, I don't think anyone has any idea. Presumably, there's some accounting book that has a bigger number at the end than at the beginning, but who owns that account? The olympic committee? How much of the cost are they externalizing? If they are pushing off (eg) the cost of the stadium construction etc to the local government, and not recording that in their P&L then I would be surprised if any olympics books a loss.

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Originally Posted by pvn

Are you serious? Every olympics I've seen features lavish new facilities, even if they were able to re-use some existing sites. Plus you have stuff like the olympic village, logistics and support services for the teams, the press, and tourists. Very little of that stuff has any reuse value after the games are over.

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Originally Posted by pvn

I'm *trying* to get facts. That's why I was asking. Still don't really have an answer, though.

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Originally Posted by pvn

I still don't know what people mean when they say "the bejing olympics made money." Is that sort of like the iraq war paying for itself?

The studies I linked directly address your questions. You aren't really interested in the answers (or facts), however, as your posting has shown.

10-02-2009 , 02:42 PM

#911

cres

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Nice work ctyri, if it were another poster without the "purple" there might be complaints of disingenuous posting.

10-02-2009 , 03:14 PM

#912

pvn

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Originally Posted by ctyri

GMAFB and STFU.

The studies I linked directly address your questions. You aren't really interested in the answers (or facts), however, as your posting has shown.

Thanks, I got the answer I needed. The answer is that the olympics "makes money" in the sense that taxpayers spend a bunch of money and someone else comes out way ahead.

Not sure why you couldn't be upfront and just answer that instead of dumping a bunch of 400 page PDFs around.

10-02-2009 , 03:16 PM

#913

pvn

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Hey guys, check this out, I bought a new Ferrari and made money on the deal!

10-02-2009 , 03:39 PM

#914

adios

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Originally Posted by action44

Saw today in WSJ his new book is #1 on NY Times non fiction best seller list. If it's so easy to make a killing duping the clueless knock yourself out.

10-02-2009 , 03:42 PM

#915

ctyri

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Originally Posted by pvn

Blatant lies and no interest in the answers to your questions... I'm not surprised.

(Posted two links: First link was 19 page pdf with 1-page exec summary up front. Second link was 3 page pdf.)

****ing pathetic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

Hey guys, check this out, I bought a new Ferrari and made money on the deal!

The elusive purple troll.

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10-02-2009 , 03:48 PM

#916

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by adios

Saw today in WSJ his new book is #1 on NY Times non fiction best seller list. If it's so easy to make a killing duping the clueless knock yourself out.

So are you arguing that "if he's trying to make money, he's obviously doing a good job" (which I don't think anyone would dispute) or that "his audience couldn't possibly be stupid if they're sending his book to #1 on the bestseller list" (LOL) ?

10-02-2009 , 03:51 PM

#917

pvn

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blatant lies?

Code:

Summary of Economic Impact Estimates
 Net New Visitor Expenditures                                          $409,369,075
 Indirect Benefits from Visitor Expenditures                          $286,558,353
    Subtotal: Visitor Impacts                                         $695,927,428
 Net New Local Operating Expenditures by OCOG                        $1,970,526,427
 Net New Local Infrastructure Expenditures, Non-OCOG                  $788,850,000
 Assumed Costs to City for Revenue Shortfalls, Non-financed Projects $(500,000,000)
 Assumed Opportunity Costs                                            $(52,590,000)
 Indirect Benefits from Operating and Infrastructure Expenditures    $1,544,750,499
    Subtotal: Operating and Infrastructure Impacts                   $3,751,536,926
 Total Likely Economic Impact                                        $4,447,464,354

Looks like a bunch of taxpayer expenditures, and a bunch of revenues going to private parties.

These two items in particular are interesting:

Code:

Net New Local Operating Expenditures by OCOG                        $1,970,526,427
 Net New Local Infrastructure Expenditures, Non-OCOG                  $788,850,000

These numbers should be in parentheses IMO.

cliffnotes: corporate welfare 101.

10-02-2009 , 03:52 PM

#918

adios

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Pahleeze.

10-02-2009 , 03:53 PM

#919

ctyri

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

blatant lies?

Yes, calling my two links (one 19 pages and one 3 pages) "throwing a bunch of 400 page PDFs around" is a blatant lie. And now you decide to discuss your questions. Too little too late.

10-02-2009 , 04:00 PM

#920

pvn

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Economic impact of buying Ferrari to Ferrari dealer: $250,000.00
Salesguy Commission: $20,000.00
Future service revenues: $40,000.00
Net expenditures: ($250,000.00)

Net Impact: $60,000.00

buying a Ferrari comes out in the black IMO.

10-02-2009 , 04:01 PM

#921

pvn

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Originally Posted by ctyri

Too little too late.

lol now who's not interested in the answers

10-02-2009 , 04:08 PM

#922

Riverman

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Originally Posted by pvn

I'm pretty sure my Enron analogy holds.

Which, incidentally, is the same accounting by which TARP is going to "make money for the taxpayers."

10-02-2009 , 04:08 PM

#923

pvn

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Summary of Economic Impact Estimates
Net New Visitor Expenditures $409,369,075
Indirect Benefits from Visitor Expenditures $286,558,353
Subtotal: Visitor Impacts $695,927,428
Net New Local Operating Expenditures by OCOG ($1,970,526,427)
Net New Local Infrastructure Expenditures, Non-OCOG ($788,850,000)
Assumed Costs to City for Revenue Shortfalls, Non-financed Projects $(500,000,000)
Assumed Opportunity Costs $(52,590,000)
Indirect Benefits from Operating and Infrastructure Expenditures $1,544,750,499
Subtotal: Operating and Infrastructure Impacts ($1,215,178,518)
Total Likely Economic Impact ($519,251,090)

Fixed Those Numbers

10-02-2009 , 04:13 PM

#924

pvn

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Even those "fixed" numbers are bogus, IMO.

You can't count expenditures from group A, revenues from group B, other expenditures from group C etc all on one balance sheet and get any sort of meaningful number. Especially when you have fuzzy BS like "indirect benefits" in there.

There very well may be a net benefit to some people, that's a lot different than saying (truthfully) that the event "made money."

10-02-2009 , 04:13 PM

#925

tiltowhirl

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terrible comparisons going on here not sure how people are missing the point that tourism brings in a bunch of cash, the sort of idea that vegas and resorts are built on. Hosting the olympics will bring an influx of cash to the local economy which has ripple effects spreading out--would you honestly not want the olympics? if anyone has lost money on hosting its due to poor planning and corruption imo

once again people are failing to make any effort to understand whats going on and just making simple cause and effect based on not much of anything--the sort of thinking that is tauted on fox news. They could change their slogan to "we make up news so the world seems simple and you decide if you're black or white"

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