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02-02-2017 , 10:00 PM
Did Turnbull make any statements to the public about the 1250 refugee deal prior to his phone call with trump? Wondering what sort of perceived slight might have triggered trump.
02-02-2017 , 10:06 PM
Ah. Found this article about the poll I just quoted. They used online surveys.

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To test the impact of different methodologies, in 2014 the Scanlon Foundation administered the same questionnaire to both a random sample of the population and an online panel. It found 44 per cent of Australia-born online panel respondents whose parents were born in Australia indicated they held "very negative" or "negative" views toward Muslims. The same demographic in the random sample had a much lower percentage (28 per cent).
And later:

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In a 2013 VicHealth survey, 22 per cent of respondents indicated they were negative towards Muslims. This number was 22 per cent-26 per cent in six Scanlon Foundation surveys between 2010 and 2015.

A random population sample by Roy Morgan Research in October 2015 asked respondents if they "support or oppose Muslim immigration". It found a minority, 36 per cent, opposed; 55 per cent in support. Of Greens-voting respondents in the Morgan poll, just 1 per cent indicated they were opposed. This is a marked contrast with the Essential finding of 35 per cent.
That's much more in line with what I would have expected.
02-02-2017 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Did Turnbull make any statements to the public about the 1250 refugee deal prior to his phone call with trump? Wondering what sort of perceived slight might have triggered trump.
Nope. I don't watch much news here but I hadn't heard anything about this deal until the Trump call. I suspect neither had Trump and when he found out about it he went ape**** at Turnbull.
02-02-2017 , 10:14 PM
02-02-2017 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Nope. I don't watch much news here but I hadn't heard anything about this deal until the Trump call. I suspect neither had Trump and when he found out about it he went ape**** at Turnbull.
Man, I would love to hear that convo, or even have the transcript.
02-02-2017 , 10:32 PM
Chris,

It's interesting that the US poll (at least the one I google'd) is also 49% in the US, but we are much more polarized.
02-03-2017 , 12:29 AM
02-03-2017 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


Um... this has a point.
Those are some pricey assed avocados Too high in omega 6 fatty acids, too.
02-03-2017 , 12:56 AM


Hitting The Ground Running: Steve Bannon Spent His First Meeting On The National Security Council Describing The Way He Would Kill Each Person In The Room

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Now strolling the room, Bannon swung his attention to Rex Tillerson, and with a smirk, asked him how his coffee tasted this morning. Before the secretary of state was able to stammer an answer, Bannon chidingly suggested he switch to tea, but added that it really wouldn’t make much difference, since polonium-210 has no flavor. To punctuate his statement, he took a long sip of his own coffee, while Tillerson pushed his away.
02-03-2017 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Chris,

It's interesting that the US poll (at least the one I google'd) is also 49% in the US, but we are much more polarized.
I think the Roy Morgan one, which was a proper telephone poll, is a better measure. It found 36% opposed.

Australian politics is a lot less polarized, although it may be getting worse. There are a lot of factors, one I've mentioned frequently is compulsory preferential voting and the lack of primaries. This means politicians are constantly compelled to appeal to the center. Stunts designed to appeal to your base can be a winning strategy for getting a seat in parliament, but they're a losing strategy for getting control of government.

Edit: Also if you ask people here what the most important issues are, things like cost of living, healthcare, employment etc score way higher than immigration or terrorism. But we haven't had a major terrorist attack since the Bali bombings in 2002, so that could all change.
02-03-2017 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


Um... this has a point.
Yup, simple and true. Needs to be hammered home in every corner of Trump country. Tariffs won't bring the jobs back. They will only increase the cost of the goods you buy every day.
02-03-2017 , 03:10 AM
Australian site Crikey has a "transcript" of the Trump call.

It honestly doesn't seem that far off the probable reality.
02-03-2017 , 06:00 AM
Prior to now, has an elected leader ever questioned the legitimacy of the election that they won? It's such a bizarre thing to do that I can't imagine any precedent for.
02-03-2017 , 08:08 AM
02-03-2017 , 08:17 AM
Kellyanne Conway is just as dumb as her name.

My favorite twitter reaction
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Brian Williams won a Purple Heart for his service at the Bowling Green Massacre.
02-03-2017 , 11:25 AM
This is so relevant now

02-03-2017 , 11:52 AM
Does Nazism fit cleanly as either right or left, politically?
02-03-2017 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Does Nazism fit cleanly as either right or left, politically?
Depends who you ask. At the time, it was a syncretic politics drawing aspects from the left and the right. Now it's hard right, unquestionably, whatever some libertarian toting a two-axis graph made in MS Paint wants to tell you.

Considering it purely as a subset of Fascism:

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Originally Posted by Benito Mussolini
Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century.
^Always a fun one to bust out when the "Fascism is left-wing don't you know" crowd come rolling around. Poor old Benny was turble confused about Fascism.
02-03-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Depends who you ask. At the time, it was a syncretic politics drawing aspects from the left and the right. Now it's hard right, unquestionably, whatever some libertarian toting a two-axis graph made in MS Paint wants to tell you.

Considering it purely as a subset of Fascism:



^Always a fun one to bust out when the "Fascism is left-wing don't you know" crowd come rolling around. Poor old Benny was turble confused about Fascism.
I think you need the two-axis graph. If you want one axis and fascists to be on the right, it should be about free vs. unfree and then Stalin and Mao end up on the right as well, and you have to put someone like Milton Friedman at least somewhat on the left.

That still least to the "social welfare is fascism" argument.
02-03-2017 , 02:16 PM
weekend
02-03-2017 , 03:53 PM
I went to nerd summer camp at Western Kentucky University in middle school and high school. One day I accidentally dropped an apple off a pedestrian bridge which landed on a car's windshield. The car almost crashed, but didn't.

The driver reported the incident, and it was interpreted as if one of us summer campers had intentionally thrown an apple at the car, and we were collectively punished by not being allowed to have our evening ultimate frisbee game, even though I immediately explained what had happened.

Everyone at camp was mad at me for a few days, and it sucked. And that is the true story of the Bowling Green Massacre.
02-03-2017 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I think you need the two-axis graph.
No, I'm saying a two-axis graph is too few, not too many. Don't ask me how many, because I'm really not that into making graphs.
02-03-2017 , 04:01 PM
Trump taking credit for jobs created under Obamas administration?

Must be a weekday.
02-03-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
No, I'm saying a two-axis graph is too few, not too many. Don't ask me how many, because I'm really not that into making graphs.
Ah, sorry. Yeah, definitely more than two, but who knows?
02-03-2017 , 04:21 PM
I want to pick a rooting interest in the Superbowl in order to maximize awkwardness. Do I go for:

- The Patriots, so Goodell has to give them the trophy?

Or

- The Falcons, and hope they bring John Lewis along on the White House visit?

      
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