That's my point, Islam should be just as offensive to liberals as fundamentalist Christians are, yet it seems not to be.

Because 13 years is such an excellent sample size.

If one of the two major parties were attempting to impose islamic laws on the entire nation, I assure you liberals jimmies would be appropriately rustled.

Sure it is. I hold Islam in the exact same low regard as all other Abrahamic religions. They all have shameful histories of carnage and mayhem*. Why should I support the rights of one or two of them but not another?

All Islam practice is equivalent to fundamentalist Christianity? uhhhhhh

It's not that we are defending Islam its that we are arguing one hate filled fairy tale is no better than the other.

Need a bigots gonna bigot bird jpg

If you are looking for relevance to today seems appropriate to look at recent history. We seemingly have people putting equal weight to the crusades as if it has some relevance to today.

Someone cited that Muslims are 0.8% of American society earlier. I think there are bigger things for liberals to worry about than a voting block that is a fraction of a percent and leans Dem right now.

It is--conservative Islam anyway. We're generally against unfairly profiling, detaining, and droning fundamentalist Christians, though, even though they annoy the hell out of us. Besides, most Muslims hold Islamist terrorists in the same low regard as even most conservative Christians have for the KKK.
Also this, at least somewhat. It's no exaggeration to say that fundamentalist Christians are a more immediate threat to my liberty than fundamentalist Muslims are. Sure, a fundamentalist Muslim might be more likely to be a "terrorist," but the odds are still pretty damn long. The fundie Christians, on the other hand, have a strong presence in the federal legislature.

the problem isn't islam per se, it's religion.

Somebody loses their jobs over this ****, right?
http://www.boston.com/politicalintel...3mN/story.html

This is a very safe way of looking at things.

The missing Brown student Sunil Tripathi (briefly implicated in the bombing) body has been found.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...unil-tripathi/

no idea what that means

lol @ you

Of course not!

Seems like he would have been a prime candidate for the fake bomb sting stuff rather than an interview and clearing.

Seems weird to me that youz guize drone that guy for making extremist youtube vids but Alex Jones basically does the same thing and hes probably smoking a cigar in his rolls royce.

In before false equivalence, not saying they are the same thing, but the line is crazy thin imo

IkesIsRight.

Do you think these guys are the same guy?

Guy on the far right: Muhamad Suleimanov


A photo, showing Tamerlan Tsarnaev as a baby, accompanied by his father Anzor, left, mother Zubeidat and uncle Muhamad Suleimanov, right, in this photo courtesy of the Suleimanova family in Makhachkala, April 22, 2013. Photograph: Suleimanov Family via Landov


And this guy: Nikolay Suleimanov



Also:

Tamerlan's father, Anzor, fixed and sold cars in Cambridge and I read or I heard him say during a TV clip translation that he left Krygyzstan because the police there were accusing him of auto theft and demanding bribes. I know that I heard or read that somewhere by cannot find it anywhere at the moment.

Here is the founder of the Chechen mafia: Khozh-Ahmed Noukhaev,


Originally a law student at Moscow State University, Khozh-Ahmed was the founder of the Chechen mafia, which is 2nd only to the Russian mob, and at one time more powerful than the Russian mob in Moscow. Khozh-Ahmed was also a Chechen rebel leader.

Every Chechen mobster seems to claim to be a lawyer or is one. There is a Tsarnaev aunt going to law school in Toronto. Anzor claims that his is a family of lawyers, but Ruslan claims that Anzor was always working hard fixing cars. Mother was busted shoptlifting over a grand of clothes from Lord & Taylor. I'm guessing she was caught by Lord & Taylor cameras, same store that caught the brothers on tape, different location. You can assume that wasn't the first time she boosted clothing or other merchandise. Family of criminals. Alarm bells started going off for me the way every single member of the Tsarnaev clan hysterically and hostilely denied any guilt for their brothers and for their family. Methought, Ye Doth Protest Too Much, like a guilty person.

And the first thing I thought when I saw this picture of their mother:



Is that she was a heroin addict. Compare to this:



Dagestan is a center for heroin trafficking and distribution, as heroin is produced throughout the region including in Chechnya, Dagestan and in the rest of the -stans. Probably why they travel back and forth all the time, even though they are supposed to be asylum seekers and in fear for their lives.

Their uncle Ruslan Tsarni, who apparently changed his last name from Tsarnaev, has a checkered employment record for companies that look like little more than fronts for money laundering. I've checked them on SEC.gov. He announced employment for one company, Blue Sky Energy, and then resigned a month later according to SEC.gov. Blue Sky is a joke. Ruslan claims to have worked for Arthur Anderson, one of the original Big 8 accounting firms, in the 90's iirc, but of course AA gave up its license in 2003 after its Enron catastrophe, billion dollar lawsuits, and bankruptcy, and for all practical purposes no longer exists, so there is no way to verify his employment there. Pretty sure he is the US consigliere.

They also have their family distributed throughout the northeast, MA, NJ, MD, Toronto which I found strange, but that makes for one great distribution network. Ruslan also lived in the port city of Ferndale, WA close to Vancouver. He also lived in Chicago, Brooklyn, NJ, and North Carolina.

And ICE arrested friends of Dzhokhar's who lived in New Bedford, MA, which has among the highest rates of heroin use and HIV-IV infection in the country. They are from Kazakhstan and were arrested for visa violations, but you should see the cars these young guys drove. That's when I first started to think drugs were involved,though they could be rich Kazakhs with oil money I suppose. But New Bedford is definitely a heroin town.

Did you all hear about the triple homicide in Waltham, MA on 9/11/11? The guy was best friends with Tamerlan, or so he thought. All three kids were Jewish. I figure that's where Tamerlan got his guns. Those 3 dudes had a nice drug business going on and appeared to enjoy the gangsta life. College kids, but gangstas, or so they thought. Actually, 2 of them were in their 30's, but Brendan Mess was in his early 20's iirc.


Yeah, seattlelou, I saw that Russia warned the FBI multiple times.

There also was no 3 month time-limit of their investigation. They could've easily extended the Prelim Investigation with a penstroke from a superior. Tamerlan's Domestic Violence arrest was enough to hold up his citizenship and it should've been enough to extend FBI's Prelim Investigation. I've read the FBI DIOG Guidebook.

And all this nonsense about the FBI receiving thousands of leads is BS too. A senior US law enforcement source puts the number of leads from Russia at "not that many" per year. Sure, the FBI receives tons of leads from a bunch of crackpots hyped-up on Beck and his Islamophobic rants about Muslim Caliphates. Another terrorism analyst on CNN even said that a lot of leads come in from moms, neighbors and randoms in Atlanta. Russia isn't a random crackpot or a mom from Atlanta.

But something else happened at FBI-Boston in 2011 that was more important. Whitey Bulger was finally captured in California in June 2011 after 16years on the run and 12 years on the TOP Ten Most Wanted List. Bulger's $2 million reward offer was 2nd only to Bin Laden's. Bulger was Boston's crime boss for several decades and he killed at least 40 men and also some of his girlfriends. Garroted one old girlfriend, extracted her teeth, and dumped her in a grave near his condo in South Boston.


Figured if I am going to be accused of peddling Conspiracy Theories, I might as well go whole-hog.

O ye of little faith...stay tuned.


lol...but seriously bro, don't taze me..

BREAKING NEWS: THE BOMBERS WERE ON TEH WELFAREZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

The benefit has to do with different rules of discovery.

My understanding is that the crimes he is being charged with really have nothing to do with anything different discovery rules would apply to. Pesrsonally I think Miranda rights are a sort of red herring in this case. Put another way the government should be able to prove he committed the crimes he is charged with under the rules, precedents, etc. of the civilian criminal justice system. With someone like KSM not so much but I am not a lawyer so take that FWIW.

He may have valuable knowledge of other Islamic terrorist activities but that kind of info isn't really relevant in obtaining a conviction for the crimes he is charged with. We'll see how things develop.

MORE BREAKING NEWS: Bombers not on teh welfarezzzzz at the time of the bombing but JIMMIES WILL BE RUSTLED.

Jim Russell,

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