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Explosion at the Boston Marathon (NSFW Graphic Images): Waltham Murders Tied, 3rd Supect Dead Explosion at the Boston Marathon (NSFW Graphic Images): Waltham Murders Tied, 3rd Supect Dead

04-15-2013 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Andz
Ok that lady on cnn when I was watching prolly said the word terrorism 20 times in 1 minute... it kind of bothered me, because well the obvious reasons.
Is it still terrorism if it was done by 1 lunatic(or a group of idiots) who is just mental and there is no "higher meaning" in his actions?
She definitely should have exercised more discretion as a member of Congress.

To your question, if multiple explosive devices are set off in public the police term the explosions a "terrorist act" regardless of whatever statement (or lack thereof) is being made.
04-15-2013 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Andz
Ok that lady on cnn when I was watching prolly said the word terrorism 20 times in 1 minute... it kind of bothered me, because well the obvious reasons.
Is it still terrorism if it was done by 1 lunatic(or a group of idiots) who is just mental and there is no "higher meaning" in his actions?
I would call what the Unabomber did acts of terrorism. And there was mental illness in his case.
04-15-2013 , 07:05 PM
You can technically only have Terrorism, if the individual or group has the intent to coerce.
04-15-2013 , 07:06 PM
Sad day.

Pure speculation, but my guess would be this turns out to be domestic. If not, I hope it does not cause the drums of war to pound yet again.
04-15-2013 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
And there was mental illness in his case.
No there wasn't
04-15-2013 , 07:09 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/op...anted=all&_r=0

Another day that goes down in the books.
04-15-2013 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Kedu
No there wasn't
http://ilj.law.indiana.edu/articles/84/84_Magid.pdf

He was diagnosed as someone with paranoid schizophrenia.
04-15-2013 , 07:13 PM
O/U on how long Fox finds some way to blame Obama for this? 2 days?
04-15-2013 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
O/U on how long Fox finds some way to blame Obama for this? 2 days?
Oh no I think it might be the other way around..
04-15-2013 , 07:15 PM
Insane to me that two bombs can be set off in the crowded finish line of a marathon race and only two people died.

Time will tell but when I saw the video and read the casualty figures my gut reaction was it was an amateur job by someone who had little idea what they were doing. Time will tell though. Terrible day.
04-15-2013 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
O/U on how long Fox finds some way to blame Obama for this? 2 days?
What time is Hannity on?
04-15-2013 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
http://ilj.law.indiana.edu/articles/84/84_Magid.pdf

He was diagnosed as someone with paranoid schizophrenia.
We'll probably have to agree to disagree but the court appointed attorney pretty clearly got it wrong. Either way probably not the thread for this discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

"Kaczynski's lawyers, headed by Montana federal defender Michael Donahoe, attempted to enter an insanity defense to save Kaczynski's life, but Kaczynski rejected this plea. A court-appointed psychiatrist diagnosed Kaczynski as suffering from paranoid schizophrenia,[88] but declared him competent to stand trial. Kaczynski's family said Ted would psychologically "shut down" when pressured.[89] In the book, Technological Slavery, Kaczynski recalls two prison psychologists, Dr. James Watterson and Dr. Michael Morrison, who visited him almost every day for a period of four years, who told him that they saw no indication that he suffered from any such serious mental illness, and that the diagnosis of his being paranoid schizophrenic was "ridiculous" and a "political diagnosis." Dr. Morrison made remarks to him about psychologists and psychiatrists providing any desired diagnosis if they are well paid for doing so.[90]"
04-15-2013 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Insane to me that two bombs can be set off in the crowded finish line of a marathon race and only two people died.

Time will tell but when I saw the video and read the casualty figures my gut reaction was it was an amateur job by someone who had little idea what they were doing. Time will tell though. Terrible day.
It is kinda weird that it didn't take out more people. Tons of blood in those images though. It seems to be a failed plot for the most part. The other bombs didn't go off for whatever reason and it wouldn't make any sense for the one under the bleachers to go off last considering that would have had the most casualties. My only guess is that the original bomb wasn't anything major otherwise anyone right there would have been just totally mangled and died on scene.

Some really ****ed **** to target people like that.
04-15-2013 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
O/U on how long Fox finds some way to blame Obama for this? 2 days?
Fox news coverage has been quite good imo, much better than lol CNN and MSNBC (which I admit I've only watched briefly). Shep Smith has a good voice for this sort of situation and he isn't a moron. When stuff is happening Fox is generally better than CNN for sure.
04-15-2013 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Insane to me that two bombs can be set off in the crowded finish line of a marathon race and only two people died.

Time will tell but when I saw the video and read the casualty figures my gut reaction was it was an amateur job by someone who had little idea what they were doing. Time will tell though. Terrible day.
Seems more professional to me. I credit the death toll being low to the medical tents being right there.

The part that's the worst for me is seeing the pictures of the injured children.
04-15-2013 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
Seems more professional to me. I credit the death toll being low to the medical tents being right there.

The part that's the worst for me is seeing the pictures of the injured children.
When you get hit by an IED at such close range, medical tent or not, you don't have very much time, within seconds to live. The bomb must have been overall very weak.
04-15-2013 , 07:20 PM
seems like there must have been something contained about the trajectory of the bomb or w/e that it seemingly took a lot of limbs off but has only killed 2 people (if true). It certainly looked like a big explosion in the middle of a crowd, maybe the trash can drove it straight up into the air and straight along the ground with nothing in between.
04-15-2013 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake7777
seems like there must have been something unsusual about the trajectory of the bomb or w/e that it seemingly took a lot of limbs off but has only killed 2 people (if true). It certainly looked like a big explosion in the middle of a crowd, maybe the trash can drove it straight up into the air and straight along the ground with nothing in between.
Did it come from a trash can? If so, that is entirely correct. The steel (usually) trash can would have compacted the blast and drove it straight out of the top. The pieces of metal, would be the cause of lost limbs etc.
04-15-2013 , 07:25 PM
The 5 worst media reactions and three good ones (thanks PVN!)

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com...b_source=pubv1
04-15-2013 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
Seems more professional to me. I credit the death toll being low to the medical tents being right there.

The part that's the worst for me is seeing the pictures of the injured children.
That will be a factor but the bombs that didnt go off along with the types of injuries would indicate the attacker or attackers used a less effective probably unsophisticated explosive device due to a limit in skills or funding or even their actual intent.

This is all speculation of course, time will tell, but compare it to the 7/7 attack in London which involved four bombs and did considerably higher damage with 52 dead and 700 injured.

If nothing else it is certainly a silver lining that the attack could have been considerably worse.
04-15-2013 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DefendTheCult
When you get hit by an IED at such close range, medical tent or not, you don't have very much time, within seconds to live. The bomb must have been overall very weak.
A Claymore only has 680g of explosive in it. Seems that they had more than 1 set up in series to keep driving victims into more condensed kill zones.
04-15-2013 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DefendTheCult
Did it come from a trash can? If so, that is entirely correct. The steel (usually) trash can would have compacted the blast and drove it straight out of the top. The pieces of metal, would be the cause of lost limbs etc.
They said there was video of someone dumping backpacks in the trash cans
04-15-2013 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake7777
seems like there must have been something contained about the trajectory of the bomb or w/e that it seemingly took a lot of limbs off but has only killed 2 people (if true). It certainly looked like a big explosion in the middle of a crowd, maybe the trash can drove it straight up into the air and straight along the ground with nothing in between.
One of the slightly positive takeaways I take from stuff like this and 9/11 is that it seems to be harder to kill lots people than you'd think. I remember assuming that it would be like 20k dead in 9/11, and based on the initial descriptions of this event, I'd assume a much bigger number than we've heard. Obviously grasping for silver linings...
04-15-2013 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by leoslayer
It doesn't matter what the theological belief of the coward who did this is. Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever. We will deal with all of them soon enough.

Right now my thoughts and heart goes out to all the victims of this senseless attack.
The only adjective that we know for sure applies to the perpetrators at this moment.
04-15-2013 , 07:30 PM
I'm just glad it wasn't worse but just 1 injured is bad enough.

      
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