I know. My larger point is that, sure, speculators can make a clear case for a crazy right winger (tax day, patriots day, etc.), and others can make a clear case for Muslims. The reality is that it's not clear who did it at all, and speculation is pointless.

Selective memory is fun.

So you think the war on terror since 9/11 has been a success? You really think that the massive expenditure of blood and treasure that we literally set on fire was as beneficial to us as doing something else with it would have been? You don't think that 9/11 was the perfect example of terrorists getting exactly what they wanted?

Dude. 9/11 was a massive success not because it killed a bunch of Americans... But because in the Aftermath we behaved like a hurt animal and flailed around destroying everything in reach. We killed hundreds of thousands of brown people, spend 2+ trillion dollars, and generally made a huge fool of ourselves. Because of people like you, who think the world is a simple place with easy answers.

This is, virtually across topics and circumstances, a known horrible way of arriving at an accurate quantitative estimate. It incorporates numerous cognitive and emotional biases.

I agree. I'm really only trying to attack the 'brown people did it' line that some posters are putting forward. I'll concede that it's possible that this was a Muslim terrorist... But I really really hope not.

do you know how long it would take to go thru 43years of terrorist attacks? why would i do all that work? believe me or don't doesn't matter to me.

the pie chart is about who terrorists are I was posting about who the victims are.

Man cops are everywhere today in downtown Chicago doing absolutely nothing

This attack seems completely in line with the lone wolf style, regardless of who did it or why, it's like the Atlanta Olympics bombing, any random nut can make a bomb in a backpack and set it down somewhere.

I'm guessing they won't uncover some vast underground network and months of planning or anything like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

"Why would I do all that work to support the claim I just pulled out of thin air? Do you know how long it would take to get my facts right? Come on."

you make it sound like that's a bad thing...

To add

Yes I do. I am all for hunting them down and killing them before they get a chance to kill us. As long as it takes.

I tuned into the news station on the way home yesterday. Unfortunately, it's also the talk radio station during the day, and Lars Larson was on. "Blah blah, the president wouldn't call it terrorism, blah blah", so I turned it to music. After 10 minutes or so, a really annoying song comes on so I turn it back...Lars still going on about the same thing, so back to the radio. 15 minutes later, I check back to see if there's any hard news yet. Lars' voice yet again - "2 devices going off 100 yards apart within 15 to 20 seconds of each other, and the President isn't willing to say this is terrorism?"

Don't worry guys, raradevils won't let a complete lack of information stop him from confidently declaring this was the work of islamic terrorists

At least leoslayer is up front about declaring that his prejudice is okay because he's an old fart who doesn't know better

What is your definition of a terrorist attack? I think this is where the disconnect is. You seem to only count things that radical Muslim groups like to do as terrorism. Would you consider kidnapping dozens of people from a town that is sympathetic to your enemies and making them fight to the death gladiator style to send a message to other towns, terrorism? Cause if so there's this continent and a half you should check out.

columbine high school and some people in Virginia tech have something to add.

Fox is reporting that the Saudi national has been ruled out as a suspect.

How many civilians is worth 1 terrorist? And would you have anything in mind if an american kills a slovenian and I come to your country and kill you and your familiy in the name of peace altho you had nothing to do with it?

It is. We don't need 20+ cops in 2 blocks on mich ave. They need to go south and west

I was all for killing off the IRA. For going after Carlos. For killing Pablo Escabar.

Going after the commie bastards that were bombing discos in Europe in the 80's.

The Japanese Red Army bastards that tried to kill me and others. Fortunately they were bad at what they do.

Its not just about 1 terrorist its about Justice and sending the message that if you come for us, you can get a calender, a day planner, whatever... but you can write it down that there will be a day that we will come for you. No matter the cost, no matter how long it takes, you will get justice brought to you.

They were trying to justify the results of our dropping a bomb on a wedding party full of innocent people as somehow different than what happened at the Marathon because it was an "accident." The point is that the results are the same to the victims and their friends family and loved ones regardless of what the stated motives of the attackers are.

Do you think the US effectively saying "Oops, my bad" makes it any better for them? Would you be willing to forgive them if, as a result of such an attack, some of the friends and family or countrymen of the victims of that drone strike decided to come over here and attack who they perceived were responsible? Do you think Rara or Leoslayer would? **** no. The attackers motives don't matter to people like Rara or Leoslayer. The only time motives matter is when they make "our side" look like good guys and our enemies look like savage barbarians to help Leo and Rara get some sleep at night. It's the ugliest kind of hypocrisy.

Quick look at this list would seem to point to Muslims are first commies are second everybody else is a distant third.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._organizations


does it matter though? like I said they all deserve to go down.