It would certainly have an impact on their decision making. There are other options besides The Philippines and the US and there are other considerations besides wages. Its not an either/or situation.

Dismissing that having to double the average wage would have an impact is pretty ridiculous. It would almost certainly reduce the number of jobs available to some extent. I find it improbable that there aren't call center workers in The Philippines with a marginal labor product that is less than twice their wage.

can we get a ****ing excise on this discussion about capitalism and wages pls, and talk more about what a scumbag cuck stephen miller is

This is the exact reason companies can exploit them.

RAINIER STFU AND EVERYBODY ELSE STOP REPLYING TO HIM

No one forces you to read posts. Grow the **** up.

How about developing enough self-awareness to realize that you've dragged an off-topic tangent that already got excised once waaaaaaaay too ****ing far and you're annoying the ever living **** out of the entire thread?

You have a choice to not read my **** posts, so it's fine for me to keep **** posting.

Yea knock it off with this off tangent garbage. Go start a new thread or something.

The exact same could be said of any job, which is what makes the term "exploit" in this context emotive and misleading.

I see no reason to not respond when people address posts I've made. Its not exactly difficult to skip over the posts you don't want to read. The human brain is capable of amazing things.

Dude. Go away.

Widdle Rainy needs a lot of ****ing handholding because as a high school economics teacher he's apparently BAFFLED by encountering criticism of company towns and sweatshops, concepts he apparently believed were universally celebrated before this thread.

I bet his students are just getting ace education, The Fountainhead AND Atlas Shrugged.

This is the actual sort of dude who is going to leave the Dems to vote for Trump in 2020, btw.

Yes, just waking up tho. Gimme a minute.

I suppose if the people in the Chinese countryside are unhappy with agricultural policy, Chinese development patterns, the distribution of schools and other services, labor laws, influence of wealthy individuals and companies, and corruption of government officials it's ok because they get to choose between frying pan and fryer. Or they could always get together in Tienamen Square to state their grievances.

But, again, China is not Haiti and RainerWolfcastle, you've taken an absolutist position here "non-slaves can't be exploited". But you're trying to have it the other way. You're pretending other people are saying it's impossible to employ someone fairly in developing countries for less than the highest wages in the world.

Screw you

Without reading the excised part, I'll sum up what this thread is about.

Like all good alleged arguments in Politardia, peeps are squabbling not about what goes on in the world, but instead what the true-one-and-only-official-definition-of-this-or-that-word. In this case, the word 'exploit'.

1. In the sense: When A has some advantage (leverage) over B, A can often induce B to give or do something of value to A (exploit). Examples: If the Godfather can arson the mom&pop store (leverage), often he can induce Mom & Pop to pay 'insurance' (exploit). In hold'em, if I have the villain's hand dominated (leverage), I can often use that advantage to stack his chips (exploit). If I can embezzle 10c per $1000 transaction (leverage), I can profit from one or both sides (exploit). If a perv has hire/fire power (leverage), he can often extort applicants for sex (exploit), I I'm a landlord (leverage), I can collect rent from tenants (exploit).
   
   Note that #1 is simply structural observation of a certain kind of activity. It says nothing about the goodness/badness/shouldness/shouldntness/wrongness/etc/etc of the activities. I also doesn't mention the participants pre- or post-activity status. If I can steel 5c from the tip jar, I'm exploiting whoever is being tipped... it doesn't matter if I'm a billionaire ripping off a street busker, or if the street busker is ripping off me.
   
   
2. Along the lines of: It is logically impossible for A to exploit B unless both (i) the activity is not 'voluntary', as defined in that particularly odious manner LTers do, and (ii) B's post-activity status isn't actually worse than his pre-activity status.
   
   As those of us who remember the bad old days of the ACers... I think we know where this road leads... yep, The Flourishing Market in Children.

I know you're trying to insult iron81 here, but iirc he was quite an ardent HRC supporter. I don't mean that as a defense of iron81, but as dems do it too.

I'm, like, smart.

Rainier, are you ethically cool with minimum wage laws in the US?

I don't follow. I wasn't trying to insult him, I was predicting his future. And obviously if he wasn't already a Dem the entire thing makes no sense, he has to be a Dem to switch. That's not "Dems do it too", only Dems can switch from Dem to GOP.

That you said this to me but not Rainer is why I'm right, kid.

I guess whether or not he switches to Trump in 2020 will depend on who the Dems nominate. They are likely to nominate someone who fully agrees with him and Ranier.

(And despite the +1, I don't think iron is the same as Ranier. "ECON 101" is a powerful drug and there are differences between casual users, addicts, and pushers. Unlike Ranier or guys like dessin d'enfant, I would think/hope that iron would have held his nose and voted for Bernie over Trump.)

You'll know I voted for Trump when he gets 500 EVs.