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trump is about to get rid of 100s of thousands of acres of national monument land.

beyond the natural beauty, and habitat for many animals, the lands actually stimulate the local economies and provide tremendous benefit.

but once trump and the repubs are thru, companies will come in and rape the land for all its resources and then leave it ugly and useless.

http://www.npr.org/2017/04/25/525639...onal-monuments

truly disgusting and despicable.

Bill Maher did a thing recently about the Republicans doing things just to be dicks. This could primarily be a giveaway to timber, ranchers, and oil and gas industries, but it feels like being a dick was the main thing.

04-29-2017 , 03:26 PM

#1077

suzzer99

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What a dip****.

04-30-2017 , 03:00 AM

#1078

TrumpTrain

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Well liberals are at least getting smarter in some regard...

-Global Cooling.

-The Ozone Layer.

-Global Warming.

-F-it. Let's just come up with something nebulous like "climate change" because it's much easier to defend ourselves against a backdrop which is so ill-defined.

04-30-2017 , 03:44 AM

#1079

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Are you disputing the ozone layer?

04-30-2017 , 12:17 PM

#1080

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TrumpTrain

Global Cooling was a very-short lived theory by a few scientists. It's a complete false equivalence that is thrown out as a red herring by the FUD crowd.

The ozone layer actually happened and we fixed it with CFC bans. It's one of the great environmental success stories. Not sure where you heard otherwise. Luckily the CFC industry isn't as all-powerful as the petroleum industry.

04-30-2017 , 02:54 PM

#1081

Louis Cyphre

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The term "climate change" was created by global warming deniers.

04-30-2017 , 03:01 PM

#1082

Loki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Global Cooling was a very-short lived theory by a few scientists.

Somehow that isn't a good indication that science works, when scientists figure out that some theories aren't accurate.

04-30-2017 , 03:17 PM

#1083

suzzer99

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Bottom line: if there's even a 5% chance that global warming isn't real, we owe it to our grandkids not to stifle economic growth or promote renewable energy.

05-02-2017 , 12:46 AM

#1084

TrumpTrain

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Bottom line: if there's even a 5% chance that global warming isn't real, we owe it to our grandkids not to stifle economic growth or promote renewable energy.

very scientific to throw out arbitrary numbers

05-02-2017 , 02:58 AM

#1085

batair

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Originally Posted by TrumpTrain

Is me getting mercury poisoning by eating to many fish defined enough to want us to stop pissing where we eat?

05-02-2017 , 07:47 AM

#1086

Csaba

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I've always used the term climate change as I consider global warming to be imprecise. A lot (all?) of the models do not show the entire globe warming. Some parts get warmer whilst others stay the same or get colder. This does not mean that the overall trend is not worrying.

For anyone that is interested in learning about the science behind this topic there are a lot of online courses available provided by reputable organisations. University of Reading course here, European Space Agency course here and a University of Chicago course here. These courses are free provided you don't want the certificate that they provide on completion of the course.

05-02-2017 , 08:39 AM

#1087

Max Cut

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Originally Posted by TrumpTrain

lol lib-haters

**** it. Let's just debate about the names used and never try to understand and discuss the problem itself at all.

05-02-2017 , 09:08 AM

#1088

Loki

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Understand the problem? You don't get the anti-climate change mindset: if something seems very complex it must be wrong because the world is really as simple as you want it to be.

Though, that may just be a conservative mindset generally. See: BLM, equal pay, health care, foreign policy, welfare, etc.

05-02-2017 , 09:21 AM

#1089

microbet

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The business conservatives obviously have a problem with any restrictions on their ability to freely dump their waste. I think there's something extra for the nationalists who cannot allow for anything international, especially if it means peaceful international agreements. That could explain an extra layer of hostility to the IPCC, Kyoto, Paris, CC is a Chinese hoax. There's an element of "we're not listening to those damn foreigners" to it.

05-06-2017 , 12:56 AM

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Loki

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Reports coming in that bacteria and other miscellany are being released from melting glaciers, things we might no longer have an immunity against.

Good times.

05-06-2017 , 09:19 AM

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Expedition New Earth

Professor Stephen Hawking thinks the human species will have to populate a new planet within 100 years if it is to survive. With climate change, overdue asteroid strikes, epidemics and population growth, our own planet is increasingly precarious.

www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/tomorrows-world/television

05-06-2017 , 09:39 AM

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+rep_lol

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**** humans, i don't support destroying a second planet in our futile quest for immortality

space exploration is awesome, but the idea of interplanetary colonization can eat a sack of baby dicks. it's a ridiculous and stupid idea anyway, like we're gonna terraform mars or somewhere in the next 100 years and create some beautiful awesome new place to live where we can escape global catastrophe and we totally wont destroy it with bad judgment, selfishness, and pollution. right

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05-06-2017 , 10:18 AM

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Victor

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heh. pretty much. I mean we have a planet that is perfect for life and we are fully intent on destroying it. is it really possible that we could transform another planet and make it able to support life? when we cant even avoid destroying our perfectly life supporting planet. ya I doubt it.

ofc, when armageddon comes, I guess we will need to try something.

05-06-2017 , 12:06 PM

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Our House

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The EPA just buried its climate change website for kids

Next Up: Creationism

05-07-2017 , 10:09 PM

#1095

KellyRae

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

Seriously? Some really bad posting here.

05-08-2017 , 01:09 AM

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amoeba

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Supporting medical care, life prolongment, and reproductive freedom while not supporting space exploration and by extension planetary colonization is such short sighted idiocy.

Not sure why so many are convinced that environmental preservation is such a viable long term solution.

05-08-2017 , 01:50 PM

#1097

locknopair

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Reports coming in that bacteria and other miscellany are being released from melting glaciers, things we might no longer have an immunity against.

Good times.

don't worry, the wall will stop the bacteria and taking away people's healthcare will strengthen their immune systems. 4d chess, yo.

05-08-2017 , 02:21 PM

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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/861640214980284416

06-01-2017 , 01:15 PM

#1099

microbet

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Quote:

On May 22, Tucson Electric Power announced it had signed a 20-year power purchase agreement with NextEra Energy Resources to buy solar power from a new 100-megawatt solar power plant that will be built and operated by NextEra. The completed system will supply enough electricity to run 21,000 homes in the Tucson area. The price? Less than 3 cents per kilowatt-hour.

We're under 3 cents/kwh in the US for solar now.

Quote:

Bloomberg New Energy Finance advisory board chairman Michael Liebreich commented recently that dramatic declines in the cost of solar power and the fact that they now mean “unsubsidized wind and solar can provide the lowest cost new electrical power in an increasing number of countries, even in the developing world — sometimes by a factor of two.”

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/05/24...kilowatt-hour/

06-02-2017 , 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

I saw a show or something one time that gave me some hope. Said the plan will be for all the dirty industry and stuff to be in orbit/cis lunar space and the earth will be like a park. I guess space is awesome for manufacturing because of asteroids, shipping costs, gravity, and pollution.

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