The Environment
02-18-2017
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02-18-2017
, 11:32 PM
02-18-2017
, 11:38 PM
02-19-2017
, 12:30 AM
02-19-2017
, 01:58 AM
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What's going to happen to 150 million people if Bangladesh is underwater and all that land isn't available for food production or living space anymore? What's going to happen if other areas of arable land no longer produce good crops because the weather's too hot, too dry, too wet or otherwise too erratic? What's going to happen if coastal areas are flooded causing chaos and disrupting the food chain? The water table in the CA central valley, which produces like 80% of the country's fruits and vegetables, is rapidly depleting and farmers are in an arms race against each other to drill further down. Most of the stuff grown there will die w/o irrigation. We're already over-fishing the sea - or do you have some Koch-funded shills telling you that's all bull**** too?
Not to go full Jiggs, but fossil fuel production is going to top off at some point - or do so much damage to the environment to extract that it causes other havoc. Saudi mostly dictates the price now and they're sitting on a finite amount of oil. Your buddies are literally introducing bills to ban renewable energy in red states. That should make the transition off fossil fuels nice and smooth.
Not to go full Jiggs, but fossil fuel production is going to top off at some point - or do so much damage to the environment to extract that it causes other havoc. Saudi mostly dictates the price now and they're sitting on a finite amount of oil. Your buddies are literally introducing bills to ban renewable energy in red states. That should make the transition off fossil fuels nice and smooth.
"What's going to happen if other areas of arable land no longer produce good crops because the weather's too hot, too dry, too wet or otherwise too erratic?"
The Earth has grown remarkably more green over the past 30 years, great for crops, and we have seen nothing but growth out of the food supply. To wit:
"The water table in the CA central valley, which produces like 80% of the country's fruits and vegetables, is rapidly depleting and farmers are in an arms race against each other to drill further down."
The drought in California is rapidly coming to an end, and some parts of California are dealing with massive flooding (in fact, a state of emergency because of so much flooding). This was easily predictable, because California water supply ebbs and flows with ENSO. La Nina dried it out, El Nino drenched it. Obviously the problem will rear its head again with La Nina, but this has naught to do with climate change.
"What's going to happen to 150 million people if Bangladesh is underwater and all that land isn't available for food production or living space anymore?"
Sea levels rise incredibly slowly, and by the time they present a problem, Bangladesh will likely be far, far wealthier and its citizens more mobile. People aren't going to drown overnight or even in the span of a year. The rise of the ocean is on a decade-scale. The food production is of course completely inconsequential; we are making insanely large amounts of food without much of the world doing advanced farming techniques lol.
"We're already over-fishing the sea - or do you have some Koch-funded shills telling you that's all bull**** too"
Overfishing is a thing, you are right. We are doing stuff to alleviate that such as fish farming, but obviously we can't be doing that for whales. Japan is out of control with the fishing stuff.
"fossil fuel production is going to top off at some point - or do so much damage to the environment to extract that it causes other havoc. Saudi mostly dictates the price now and they're sitting on a finite amount of oil. Your buddies are literally introducing bills to ban renewable energy in red states. That should make the transition off fossil fuels nice and smooth."
We have decades upon decades of oil, and keep discovering more. But it's immaterial, because electricity is more efficient, and electric cars are becoming rapidly less expensive. And the trend in electrical generation is away from new natgas and new coal and moving rapidly to new solar, more efficient solar. Weird how humans tend to invent better stuff, it's almost like doomsday predictions fail because of it. I guess we're just lucky like that....or something.
Last edited by domer2; 02-19-2017 at 02:20 AM.
02-19-2017
, 02:03 AM
02-19-2017
, 02:26 AM
02-19-2017
, 04:08 AM
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So let's unpack this because pretty much everything you've just posted is false. Demonstrably, badly false. Like someone would get legit dumber reading your post. Trumpian.
"What's going to happen if other areas of arable land no longer produce good crops because the weather's too hot, too dry, too wet or otherwise too erratic?"
The Earth has grown remarkably more green over the past 30 years, great for crops, and we have seen nothing but growth out of the food supply. To wit:
"The water table in the CA central valley, which produces like 80% of the country's fruits and vegetables, is rapidly depleting and farmers are in an arms race against each other to drill further down."
The drought in California is rapidly coming to an end, and some parts of California are dealing with massive flooding (in fact, a state of emergency because of so much flooding). This was easily predictable, because California water supply ebbs and flows with ENSO. La Nina dried it out, El Nino drenched it. Obviously the problem will rear its head again with La Nina, but this has naught to do with climate change.
"What's going to happen to 150 million people if Bangladesh is underwater and all that land isn't available for food production or living space anymore?"
Sea levels rise incredibly slowly, and by the time they present a problem, Bangladesh will likely be far, far wealthier and its citizens more mobile. People aren't going to drown overnight or even in the span of a year. The rise of the ocean is on a decade-scale. The food production is of course completely inconsequential; we are making insanely large amounts of food without much of the world doing advanced farming techniques lol.
"We're already over-fishing the sea - or do you have some Koch-funded shills telling you that's all bull**** too"
Overfishing is a thing, you are right. We are doing stuff to alleviate that such as fish farming, but obviously we can't be doing that for whales. Japan is out of control with the fishing stuff.
"fossil fuel production is going to top off at some point - or do so much damage to the environment to extract that it causes other havoc. Saudi mostly dictates the price now and they're sitting on a finite amount of oil. Your buddies are literally introducing bills to ban renewable energy in red states. That should make the transition off fossil fuels nice and smooth."
We have decades upon decades of oil, and keep discovering more. But it's immaterial, because electricity is more efficient, and electric cars are becoming rapidly less expensive. And the trend in electrical generation is away from new natgas and new coal and moving rapidly to new solar, more efficient solar. Weird how humans tend to invent better stuff, it's almost like doomsday predictions fail because of it. I guess we're just lucky like that....or something.
"What's going to happen if other areas of arable land no longer produce good crops because the weather's too hot, too dry, too wet or otherwise too erratic?"
The Earth has grown remarkably more green over the past 30 years, great for crops, and we have seen nothing but growth out of the food supply. To wit:
"The water table in the CA central valley, which produces like 80% of the country's fruits and vegetables, is rapidly depleting and farmers are in an arms race against each other to drill further down."
The drought in California is rapidly coming to an end, and some parts of California are dealing with massive flooding (in fact, a state of emergency because of so much flooding). This was easily predictable, because California water supply ebbs and flows with ENSO. La Nina dried it out, El Nino drenched it. Obviously the problem will rear its head again with La Nina, but this has naught to do with climate change.
"What's going to happen to 150 million people if Bangladesh is underwater and all that land isn't available for food production or living space anymore?"
Sea levels rise incredibly slowly, and by the time they present a problem, Bangladesh will likely be far, far wealthier and its citizens more mobile. People aren't going to drown overnight or even in the span of a year. The rise of the ocean is on a decade-scale. The food production is of course completely inconsequential; we are making insanely large amounts of food without much of the world doing advanced farming techniques lol.
"We're already over-fishing the sea - or do you have some Koch-funded shills telling you that's all bull**** too"
Overfishing is a thing, you are right. We are doing stuff to alleviate that such as fish farming, but obviously we can't be doing that for whales. Japan is out of control with the fishing stuff.
"fossil fuel production is going to top off at some point - or do so much damage to the environment to extract that it causes other havoc. Saudi mostly dictates the price now and they're sitting on a finite amount of oil. Your buddies are literally introducing bills to ban renewable energy in red states. That should make the transition off fossil fuels nice and smooth."
We have decades upon decades of oil, and keep discovering more. But it's immaterial, because electricity is more efficient, and electric cars are becoming rapidly less expensive. And the trend in electrical generation is away from new natgas and new coal and moving rapidly to new solar, more efficient solar. Weird how humans tend to invent better stuff, it's almost like doomsday predictions fail because of it. I guess we're just lucky like that....or something.
How many crops can you grow in Bangladesh if it's under water? Maybe 1-2 degrees is net good and anymore gets weird? But let's just always assume the rosiest outlook.
Big Bear Lake is still 14' below normal. Lake Isabella is still a mud puddle. Lake Mead was at it's lowest levels ever earlier this year. Sure it will bounce back some this year. But they're a long long way from spilling over, and if the drought continues they'll be back in crisis in 1 year. Guess what - it rained like hell in 2010 as well. It's the only year Mono Lake actually went up - even after the new water treaty. It will go up some this year, then most likely dribble down again. The aquifiers in the CA Central Valley will still be in crisis despite this one very rainy year. The Salton Sea continues to shrink and is almost too briny/salty to even support Tilapia.
You don't know **** about CA - this is my backyard and I make it my business to know.
Sure dude - a major ice sheet goes in Antartica - which we all know can happen in a relative instant - and boom sea levels rise. Sometimes things happen slow, until they don't. FUD FUD FUD
Holy **** you admit over-fishing is a thing. I guess the fishing industry isn't one of your clients.
Oil whatever - it's gonna run out someday.
All your points are easily refutable.