All of the ocean is not dying. Chessmate libtard.

Status. Conspicuous consumption. We're a bunch of monkeys at our core.

I live in the oilpatch of northern Alberta. Today I was sitting in a diner with my wife, watching the traffic go by. I'd bet that 75% of the vehicles going by were "rig rockets", massive 4x4 trucks lifted and chromed up to the tits. I'd bet that only a small fraction of them leave pavement, or haul a load bigger than a washing machine, more than once or twice a year.

I'm always trying my hardest to do more with less (I basically treat it as a game), but it's tough to be optimistic about our future when faced with such overwhelming ignorance. My outlook is vastly in the minority.

As a species, we're going to suck out every ounce of easy energy from the planet, and we're going to do it as quickly as we can. Why? It seems to me the answer to that is, "**** you, that's why.". Waste is our hallmark, and we won't change it until there's nothing left to waste.

On the upside, I get to feel superior while the world burns... at least I've got that going for me.

As you sit there in your heated home eating a hot meal while consuming 100's of other resources you gaze out the window and look down on people because their truck is a bit to big. But at least you play a game with yourself so you can virtue signal.

Our goal shouldn't be minimizing impact it should be maximizing human flourishing.

In the long run these two things may not be mutually exclusive.

Not familiar enough with this poster so not sure if serious. Either way, could there have been a more perfect reply exemplifying OP's point?

Shifty86, I'm going to guess you're an Alex Epstein fan. Or maybe parroting someone else who is.

Sooner or later you're going to put together that the guy and others like him are basically mouthpieces for energy companies, who need to persuade lazy people that bad is really good and spread the word.

I will refer you to one of my previous posts in this topic. It's probably best if everyone ignores the majority of the stuff that he posts in this thread as he's just fishing for a reaction. Having a look through the link he posted and checking the source is fair enough, same as it would be for any other poster. I'm very surprised that he supplied a link that can be traced back to some credible work. Progress!!!



Got it in one.

I'm struggling to see how maximising "human flourishing" would be any different from what we currently see.

I wonder if "maximizing human flourishing" means in the short term or long.

I still don't understand what it has to do with energy conservation.

Epstein is the best at explaining the position that I agree with, what arguments does he make that you dont agree with?

That you shouldn't give a **** about the world you leave your grandkids?

2 kids. Obviously concerned about what world they'll live in. That's not an argument though.

That is the argument for protecting the environment.

Your grandkids are going to wonder why you chose to listen to a few industry shills over 97% of mainstream scientists. You'll argue "Well those same industry shills put out some FUD that there was no consensus at all - which I chose to believe. Also it snowed in winter - so lol global warming amirite? And finally earth is always changing - long before man came along - stupid scientists don't realize that." and they'll be like "Oh ok, then it's all cool grandpa."

Almost had me convinced! Lost me at 97% though.

Right - when you tell your grandkids it was only 90% they'll understand why you rolled coal.

I prefer to roll natural gas.

I see you've given up trying to make actual arguments. Again - your grandkids will thank you.

Yes you made a very compelling argument. Do you hate your grandparents because they used fossil fuels?

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2017/02/...world-to-date/

Contract made now in Mexico at a solar project for $0.02699/kwh at a 1.8GW project.

Solar is catching up in terms of jobs as well.

Solar employs more people in the US than Natural Gas or Coal and is catching up to Oil.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesol.../#3dc67e413cde

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-0...12?pfmredir=sm

"Well we're not politicising the fact that there is an insecure energy system in South Australia and that high renewable energy targets, be it in that state or in other states, put in place by Labor governments is going to bring great instability," Mr Frydenberg said.

That graphic looks like it was taken from some Soviet propaganda.

No because they didn't have the same information we do now. How can you not grasp that?

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