It's not new, it's being transported via rail currently but the pipeline is a lot safer for people and the environment.

Been a while thread, #nodapl and gg ice caps. That is all I got.

There is no such thing as safe oil. The very objective is to move it somewhere and then burn it causing a lot of destructive pollution.

New pipelines ship more, faster and cheaper. That's bad. The slower and more expensive it is, the faster it will become largely obsolete.

OAFK11,

I heard people talking about that on the radio but was afraid to look it up. That's pretty much goatse what has been seen cannot be unseen level bad. I hope that's El Nino to a somewhat large degree.

That graph covers numerous el nino years tho.

This seems bad.

"You're" delusional. Just repeating Sierra club rhetoric.

So you agree with the protesters because it will make your competition slower and more expensive?

Yeah. I just hope there's something wrong or aberrant there. That chart goes past wake up call to the plankton are dying in Soylent Green territory.

My competition as in money? That wouldn't hurt, but I didn't get into solar for the money. I quit a high paying career in computer programming to go broke slaving away on hot roofs, not to invest in solar stocks.

But, slowing down the extraction of fossil fuels and social justice (it is Native American land) are both reasons for opposing the pipeline and are why being "better" than trucks is not a convincing argument.

Carrying the oil by hand in buckets from ND to Chicago would be a great alternative to the pipeline.

These are the states sending in "troops" to help defend big oil. It's already cost Morton County $500,000 A DAY. MAKE PHONE CALLS, PEOPLE!

South Dakota -
Governor: 605.773.3212 - Governor Daugaard
State Legislators: 605.773.3251
Tourism Dept: 1-800-732-5682

Minnesota -
Governor: 651-201-3400 - Governor Mark Dayton
State Legislators: (651) 296-2146, (651) 296-0504
Tourism Dept: (888) 847-4866

Wyoming -
Governor: 307.777.7434 - Governor Matt Mead
State Legislators: (307) 777-7881
Tourism Dept: 307-777-7777

Indiana -
Governor: 317-232-4567 - Governor Mike Pence (Trump's VP)
State Legislators: (800) 382-9842 (800) 382-9467
Tourism Dept: 317.233.3261

Nebraska -
Governor: 402-471-2244 - Pete Ricketts
State Legislators: 402.471.2788
Tourism Dept: (402) 471-3796

Tell these officials NoDapl.

Sheriff Departments and Police Departments from across the Midwest have sent officers to violently attack and suppress Water Protectors.
We are calling on these Departments to permanently withdraw their officers from Standing Rock. The Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office withdrew after facing protests in Minneapolis.
Here is a list of Sheriff and Police Departments that have deployed at Standing Rock:Morton County Sheriff Department
Mandan ND
701-667-3330Michigan City Police Department
Michigan City, IN
(219) 874-3221
North Dakota Highway Patrol
Offices across North Dakota
(701) 328-2455Hammond Police Department
Hammond, IN
219-852-2900
Munster Police Department
Munster, IN
(219) 836-6600
Griffith Police Department
Griffith, IN
(219) 924-7503
Anoka County Sheriff’s Office
Andover, MN
(763) 323-5000
Washington County Sheriff’s Office
Stillwater, MN
651-430-6000
Marathon County Sheriff’s Department
Wausau, WI
(715) 261-1200
La Porte County Sheriff’s Office
La Porte, IN
(219) 326-7700
Newton County Sheriff’s Office
Kentland, IN
219-474-3331
South Dakota Highway Patrol
Pierre, SD
605-773-3105
Jasper County Sheriff
Rensselaer, Indiana
219-866-7344
Lake County Sheriff Sheriff’s Department
Crown Point, IN
219-755-3333
Laramie County Sheriff’s Department
Cheyenne, WY
307-633-4700
Wyoming Highway Patrol
Cheyenne, WY
307-777-4301
Ohio State Highway Patrol
Columbus, Ohio
614-466-2660
Nebraska Emergency Management Agency
Lincoln, NE
(402) 471-7421

Your anti-human and anti-progress. You want to slow down and raise the cost of the source where majority people get their electricity and energy.

Curious when you protest and stop these project's forcing America to import oil from the Middle East which funds terrorism, beheading's and everything else that comes with it. How does that make you feel?

You sound like a sheeple. You do know that Hemp seed can be used instead right? Hemp seed actually cures cancer, stops seizures, can make clothes, paper, car fuel, etc.

The government doesn't make money off of plants though. So they train sheeple like you to think that we have to ruin our health and our environment for things that a plant can take care of.

Not being in North Dakota my protest is pretty much just here.

What I actually do is work on installing about 30000 solar panels so far, reducing the need for extracting or importing fossil fuels from anywhere.

More power to the protestors though. Beheadings are hardly caused by stopping pollution and climate change is already harming people and threatens hundreds of millions of human lives. When tens of millions of Bangladeshis have to migrate and drought continues to kill people in Africa, the human suffering will be catastrophic.

How early was this post?

I have a question about global cooling. If the most recent changes in the current cycle is man made then can the cycle ever go back to global coming or is it permanently a warming period? Or does no one know?

I have read scientists who fear that the current warming trend may shake up the unprecedented (in the last million years or so) pause in the ice age cycle. But at this point continued warming for our lifetimes seems the most likely scenario.



That blue flat spot in the upper right has been a huge facilitator to humans taking over the planet.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/4...-next-ice-age/

This states that we will get the ice age again in 2000 years because the CO2 effects will eventually decline since fossil fuel use can't go on forever anyway.

If it could go on forever then I dunno what people think would happen. Would it stave off an ice age or global cooling?

We were due for an ice age eventually anyway. I seriously doubt anyone has an educated guess how our current CO2 output will affect that in the long run.

From the above link..

"But even that warming will not stave off the eventual return of huge glaciers, because ice ages last for millennia and fossil fuels will not.In about 300 years, all available fossil fuels may well have been consumed.Over the following centuries, excess carbon dioxide will naturally dissolve into the oceans or get trapped by the formation of carbonate minerals. Such processes won’t be offset by the industrial emissions we see today, and atmospheric carbon dioxide will slowly decline toward preindustrial levels. In about 2,000 years, when the types of planetary motions that can induce polar cooling start to coincide again, the current warming trend will be a distant memory."

So I guess it would just sort of "dissolve into the oceans"

Wonder how ChiefsPlanet feels about this.

http://www.economist.com/news/intern...en-if-americas

Economist on what Trump might do as far as environmental policy goes.

Q2 Solar up 43% over Q2 last year.

Q2 Wind up 23%.

Wind and solar now employ about 300k people in the US.

Aren't some of the plants in CA having problems because of how difficult it is to stop/start up the plants when the panels stop producing energy?

I know this was a big issue in Germany and the source of many problems there. Haven't read about the Germany situation lately or if it has improved.

No, and there's never been a problem starting and stopping photovoltaics, which stop producing every night. Perhaps some other solar technology, but I don't think so.